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Drum Programming tutorials?
I know there are quite a few good tutorials out for Sonar X1 and X2. I was wondering if anyone could recommend any that really dig deep into drum programming? My specific interests would be for plugins such as Session Drummer 3 or BFD Eco (running on X2 Producer), but probably just about any tutorial that focuses on drum programming (techniques, tricks of the trade, etc.) would be helpful. Musical interests along the lines of classic rock, classical, etc. , if that would be of any help. Info geared towards us "novice" drum programmers (non-drummers!) would probably be the most beneficial...  Thanks! Randy
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 13:17:24
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below are a couple of links to a videos that shows how to start from scratch. Sonar comes with many midi loops that you can preview and if you like them you can drag them into the midi track. What I like to do is find one that is simlar to what I need, drag it over, edit it (similar to creating in the video) and loop that beat as needed, find other midi loops with fills and resize or edit as needed. there are lots of places to get the loops. Does take a while to get a midi drum track to sound human like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OpA2Rm_4OQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIUcgbGYk5M checkebaby just posted this good video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAnAPR6-hQ
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 14:18:34
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One way to learn would be to download some free MIDI drum patterns (Groove Monkee has some great free ones), pick some of the simple beats and just observe what's going on with the kick, snare and hats.
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 14:29:00
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Go to Sonar University...Master Class...several very good video tutorials!
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 15:07:18
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 15:17:55
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I learned how to set up SD3 and BFD by watching the Sonar University Drum Production vids that Seth made. Extremely useful. The show how to program drums with the Step Sequencer but I find the PRV is better for more intricate drum parts so check out the tutorial section in the X2 manual on using the PRV and then the more in depth chapters later on in the manual that those tuts link to.
One thing to keep in mind about the Sonar University Drum vids though is that he is using a pre X series version of Sonar so some of the stuff he does is accessed differently. If he is doing something that you can't find in X2 look at the bottom of the screen and there will be a little text window describing where to find the feature being used in X1. Most of those things are in the same place in X2. Kind of a pain but if you pay attention you'll figure it out.
This is something that annoys me about Cakewalk letting him go. I would have like to see him update those vids for X2. He is very good at explaining things.
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 15:59:36
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There are hundreds of Midi grooves inside BFD2 - not sure if Eco has the same range, but they are definitely worth checking out.
What I like with them is that for a given "groove", they have variations of the mian pattern, and a selection of variations for fills.
I usually drag the whole lot into Sonar to a dummy Midi track, right below my BFD midi track and then copy & paste as desired.
Then I add a few of my own fills, tweak some of the copied ones and start mixing the sucker!
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 16:56:41
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Don't forget that with any MIDI pattern, you can quantize it with different settings to totally change the feel. For instance, take a straight ahead beat and quantize it to 8th or 16th triplets. I like dropping the odd triplet-quantized bar into a straight drum track just to shake things up a bit.
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 17:30:46
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Randy,tell me a little bit more about what you want to learn? i have just posted a new video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAnAPR6-hQ its a fast paced but you can always rewind and check things out a second time. this video uses the Piano roll view in Sonar x2 to write Drum parts for songs. let me know what you think.
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 18:53:27
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Appreciate all the feedback, guys - Great ideas, great references! (Note to self - Need to pay more attention to the Cakewalk University videos!!!  ) Charlie Roy - Thank you for the link to your video! Direct to the point, easy to follow. Exactly what I was looking for!! Thanks for sharing!! Randy
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 19:49:49
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rivers88
Appreciate all the feedback, guys -
Great ideas, great references!
(Note to self - Need to pay more attention to the Cakewalk University videos!!! )
Charlie Roy -
Thank you for the link to your video!
Direct to the point, easy to follow.
Exactly what I was looking for!!
Thanks for sharing!!
Randy
Glad you liked it Randy. im curious,because im going to be putting out a few more videos in the next 2 weeks. what would you like to see more of in sonar tutorials???? Thanks for your feedback.
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 20:06:31
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Nice vid charlie...keep em rollin!
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 20:53:16
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chuckebaby
rivers88
Appreciate all the feedback, guys -
Great ideas, great references!
(Note to self - Need to pay more attention to the Cakewalk University videos!!! )
Charlie Roy -
Thank you for the link to your video!
Direct to the point, easy to follow.
Exactly what I was looking for!!
Thanks for sharing!!
Randy
Glad you liked it Randy.
im curious,because im going to be putting out a few more videos in the next 2 weeks.
what would you like to see more of in sonar tutorials????
Thanks for your feedback.
Well, if you're really feeling dedicated to the cause: I'd suggest you keep working with the format you used in the drum programming tutorial ~ Take a single project, one feature or track at a time, and demonstrate how to turn it into a complete song. Perhaps demo features such as automation, audio/clip editing, basic mixing techniques, etc. That should be enough to keep the trainer & trainees occupied for a while... :) (You can never have too many tutorials!!)
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 21:48:18
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Nice tutorial Charlie! This brings me back full circle, how do I get a EzDrummer to play nice with the midi coming from my boss dr-880. I don't have a drum map. EzDrummer does not have a drum map, I asked, they replied. 
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/25 22:40:25
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twaddle
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/26 06:50:44
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redbarchetta
Nice tutorial Charlie!
This brings me back full circle, how do I get a EzDrummer to play nice with the midi coming from my boss dr-880. I don't have a drum map. EzDrummer does not have a drum map, I asked, they replied.
I think for the most part EZdrummer conforms to the general midi standard but not totally but of course your DR-880 probably doesn't so you might have to make one manually which takes a while but is quite easy to do. There are some tutorials and step by step guides someone posted on here a year or two ago but not sure who. You could try a forum search but the search on here isn't good so a google search might be better unless someone else here can tell you where it is ? Steve
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/26 07:29:16
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Another quantitising tip. If you have constructed a rather mechanical pattern in step sequencer you can quantatise it to a groove using the groove quantatise function. There are some presets, but it will also quantatise to what you have on the clipboard, so you can steal the groove fron one of the stock patterns and apply it to your own.
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/26 10:01:04
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Nice video Charlie, well done and easy to understand.
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/26 10:01:33
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redbarchetta
Nice tutorial Charlie!
This brings me back full circle, how do I get a EzDrummer to play nice with the midi coming from my boss dr-880. I don't have a drum map. EzDrummer does not have a drum map, I asked, they replied.
tell you what rush man. give me a week or so,ive already started one for midi triggering using drum machines. so this will apply to you. Twaddle is right though,i not sure off the top of my head but im pretty sure he is correct in saying your going to have to make a drum map for your machine. (dont worry this is included in the vid)
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/26 10:13:28
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Thank You Chuck Were I at that stage of learning I would have really appreciated your video, very useful and easy to follow, good stuff. Has anyone ever compared you to an Afghan Hound ? I just thought when I saw you, put a pair of shades on this guy Afghan Hound and he could be your stand in  Hope you're not offended  Steve
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/26 11:59:48
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I am looking forwared to your next vid Charlie...I'd like to learn a bit more about using my DR-880 and using it to trigger drum parts within X2...I know the basics, but I am sure there are a few things I could learn...I'm focusing on anything drums at the moment, so this is great! Thanks!
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/26 12:13:28
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That's a great beginner vid, Chuck. Exactly how I've been working.
My favorite part though is the Bahstin accent. ;-)
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/26 13:08:03
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My favorite part though is the Bahstin accent. ;-) Haha... you picked up on that as well
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/26 13:25:17
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I liked the 3 second intro...shades and all...perfect delivery.
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/02/26 22:47:18
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twaddle
Thank You Chuck
Were I at that stage of learning I would have really appreciated your video, very useful and easy to follow, good stuff.
Has anyone ever compared you to an Afghan Hound ?
I just thought when I saw you, put a pair of shades on this guy Afghan Hound and he could be your stand in
Hope you're not offended
Steve
i think you and i are past the point of offending eachother would'nt you say ?  no offense at all steve. as a matter of fact,I might not always agree with you but i do have a great amount of respect for your knowlege of products,including BFD. your very helpful on this forum to anyone who needs help with BFD and as many shots as ive taken at you and BFD its a very proffesional program and its far more superior than session drummer ever could be. even though i favor session drummer im smart enough to realise BFD takes the prize. Glad we are meeting on even ground. I'll try to make more of an effort not to meddle where i dont belong and thats topics where you can be helpful and i only have opinions.
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/03/02 04:55:32
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twaddle
Thank You Chuck
Were I at that stage of learning I would have really appreciated your video, very useful and easy to follow, good stuff.
Has anyone ever compared you to an Afghan Hound ?
I just thought when I saw you, put a pair of shades on this guy Afghan Hound and he could be your stand in
Hope you're not offended
Steve
i think you and i are past the point of offending eachother would'nt you say ?
no offense at all steve.
as a matter of fact,I might not always agree with you but i do have a great amount of respect for your knowlege of products,including BFD.
your very helpful on this forum to anyone who needs help with BFD and as many shots as ive taken at you and BFD its a very proffesional program and its far more superior than session drummer ever could be.
even though i favor session drummer im smart enough to realise BFD takes the prize.
Glad we are meeting on even ground.
I'll try to make more of an effort not to meddle where i dont belong
and thats topics where you can be helpful and i only have opinions.
That's a good to know Chuck I feel I should make some videos on using BFD2 & Eco within sonar and some of my own "individual" techniques. I have no experience at all in making my own video and don't have a web cam (which for viewers would be a good thing) What software do you use to make your video's and is there any free stuff out there? Steve
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/03/02 05:30:33
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Steve - if your accent is anything like mine........ Not sure our American friends are ready for full on Bristolian 
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/03/02 06:20:00
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Good video Charlie.
PRV has changed a lot since I last used it.
A couple tricks in your vid that were very helpful to me.
I like the fast pace as well.
Appreciate the effort.
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Re:Drum Programming tutorials?
2013/03/02 07:07:08
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If you are lazy like me you can have Jamstix 3 do all the work for you...
I now have soft synth track templates built with Jamstix and SD3, EZ drummer, BFD2, Battery and Kontakt. Just drag the template into a project and the mit mapping, kit type etc is all instantly recalled.
Just another option I thought I would mention.
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