Helpful Replysidechaining in MC6?

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2013/02/25 14:13:31 (permalink)

sidechaining in MC6?

Is it possible to do sidechaining in Music Creator 6?

I can never seem to find the side-chain input [of the compressor effect] where I can send my key audio to.

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Re:sidechaining in MC6? 2013/02/27 10:31:20 (permalink)
yes, it's possible, but you have to have a VST FX which is capable of it.  the ones included in MC6 do not have sidechaining capabilities.

you can buy 3rd party VST's or possibly find free ones with sidechaining capabilities.  look around kvraudio.com and you might find something.

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Re:sidechaining in MC6? 2013/03/01 12:43:40 (permalink)
I realize that you need to have a sidechain compressor, I downloaded a trial version but could not figure out how to connect it. None of the documentation helped.

I've since downloaded a free one as suggested in case someone wants to try it. It actually looks like a really good one, if I can get it to work, it will probably suit my needs. I got this one...
http://www.kvraudio.com/p...f35d28c87e6095ace18d52

The MODE dial on the right has a "Side" setting which I am guessing is for side chaining since the needle (from the input meter) stops bouncing when I switch to Side mode.

I am still stuck with the same problem of figuring out how to achieve a connection to the key input into the plugin. I did this in Ableton Live no problems at all - it was easy and took 2 seconds to set up, but MC6, which should be easier to use than Live, seems unnecessarily obtuse in it's confiscation of any clues on how this might be achieved :(

There are NO tutorials on youtube on how to achieve this. I read through what I think are all the threads on this forum and nothing helped. There was an utterly useless explanation in one of them which listed 5 steps which made no sense at all. God knows why he had to bring DELAY into it.

This is what I have so far in MC6...

6 tracks each with a stem. I want to feed the BEAT track in as the compressor key and arbitrarily send other tracks to the compressor which I have assigned to a dedicated stereo bus. I have sent all tracks to the bus with the compressor on it EXCEPT for the beat.

On turning the side chain mode on, I would have expected an additional audio output to become available (which would be the sidechain key channel). This has no happened and the plugin has no way of selecting a key track.

How is this supposed to work?

Here is a screenshot of the issue...
http://terencekearns.com....m/sidechain-screen.png
post edited by Tezza1971 - 2013/03/01 12:58:18

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Re:sidechaining in MC6? 2013/03/01 16:11:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
First, I may have been mistaken.  Sidechaining works fine in Sonar, but I cannot get it to work in MC.  that may be a limitation of MC because of price.

2nd, I downloaded Molot and tried it in sonar and it doesn't work there.  there must be something in the code of this particular VST which is not recognized by sonar. 

in order to sidechain in sonar, you simply add the compressor, gate or whatever VST you are wanting to use for the sidechain effect on a track.  then on the track you want to use as the control (i.e. if you want bass to drop down in volume when the kick comes in, you would put the compressor on the bass track and the control track is the kick track).

then on the kick track you INSERT>SEND>[VST NAME]  (it's not an additional INPUT, but a SEND)

the [VST NAME] will only show up when you have a working VST FX with sidechaining capabilities (which sonar recognizes)

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Re:sidechaining in MC6? 2013/03/02 02:56:33 (permalink)
Ahhhhhhh.... I see... no wonder I was pulling my hair out!
yeah MC6 doesn't seem to differentiate with sends. If you adding a send, it just sends it to the ubiquitous input of the bus. 

I did download another free effect called stormgate which is supposed to have side-chaining but I haven't tried it yet.

Well it looks like MC6 can't do sidechaining then. I was confused by some of the other threads in this forum which implied that it could be done. I guess all the experts here don't use MC6, they use Sonar so it's hard to know :/

Well I am very impressed with MC6 I must say because sidechaining is the first real limitation I have run into. I think I would really want to have sidechaining and that may be the very thing that kicks me over to an upgrade sometime in the future.

Thanks for your help beagle.

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Re:sidechaining in MC6? 2013/03/02 17:40:20 (permalink)
right, I HAVE MC6, but I also have X2 and I use X2.

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