redbarchetta
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IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
Hey all. I have recorded a bass track from my DR880 as audio. I don't necessarily like the tone of the bass even after heavy EQ. Thinking about re-recording it as MIDI and applying a sound on top of that. Not sure what the technical term is called. Would you use a synth? If so, which one? Is there an equivalent to for the bass guitar as there is for drums ( ezdrummer ) or the native drums that come with Sonar? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 15:49:05
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Yes. I believe one of the included Cakewalk Instruments is a bass. There are quite a few other included synths, such as Dimension Pro, that have tons of bass sounds. So, yes, pick a synth, any synth, record your part and then it's a matter of experimenting to find the sound that best suits you. Best, Rob
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 15:54:21
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Not really sure what you mean. Sometimes I thicken a bass line by mixing in a little of a synth patch that's just a triangle wave, you can make a triangle wave in most synths. Sometimes I find it helps to flick the phase switch on the track in case there are phase issues between the two parts. If it's a "regular" bass sound that you're after then Sonar comes with SI-Bass does it not? Have never tried it because I have some decent Native Instruments Kontakt basses that I use a lot. In terms of bass patches, there are plenty to choose from in Dimension Pro, Rapture and Z3TA (in fact it's worth learning Z3TA because you can dial in some great bass sounds in this synth).
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 16:01:53
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Well, you could record the midi bass, then add an amp modeler to the associated audio track for the midi bass, and then the amp modeler plugin would modify the audio signal with the output from the bass patch. Just find an amp modeler with a decent bass patch. and balance out the sound to your liking. Bob Bone
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 16:02:29
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The Zeta+ Alembic patch is a very real and cool sounding bass... all bapu jokes aside.
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redbarchetta
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 16:16:03
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sharke Not really sure what you mean. Sometimes I thicken a bass line by mixing in a little of a synth patch that's just a triangle wave, you can make a triangle wave in most synths. Sometimes I find it helps to flick the phase switch on the track in case there are phase issues between the two parts. If it's a "regular" bass sound that you're after then Sonar comes with SI-Bass does it not? Have never tried it because I have some decent Native Instruments Kontakt basses that I use a lot. In terms of bass patches, there are plenty to choose from in Dimension Pro, Rapture and Z3TA (in fact it's worth learning Z3TA because you can dial in some great bass sounds in this synth). Hi Sharke, What I mean is, I don't like the sound of the bass coming from the DR880 rhythm machine. I would like to just send out MIDI rather than audio. Capture that MIDI in Sonar and apply bass of some sort on top of it. Regarding the Synth, I plan on watching all the videos I can from Groove3 in my 30 days. I would assume one of those will have something that kicks butt.
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 16:23:59
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Is the DR880 recording as MIDI or are you recording an analog out? What you want to do is have the DR880 create a MIDI file in the project. Then you can just choose any old synth you want. Sorry but I know nothing about using external MIDI hardware to record MIDI tracks but once you get that figured out you can change that MIDI input to any sound you have installed on your system. Setting up your hardware to do this is pretty in depth though so look in the X2 manual under the various MIDI topics especially using external devices. I don't think you're gonna get a simple answer here. Gonna have to do a bit of studying, dude.
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 16:45:34
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Yeah, if you acn import the midi into Sonar, then you can use the SI Bass virtual instrument which is VERY good!
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 16:51:37
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You need to record the midi out from your DR880 while triggering a synth in Sonar in realtime. Mute the audio coming out of the DR to avoid confusing yourself and making it easier to hear what you're actually recording If the latency is too great to get an acceptable performances, you'll have to start conserving resources by playing around with your buffers and bypassing all Fx
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 17:08:36
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The DR-880 can send MIDI or a synth sound. For now I was sending the internal synth sound of the patch in the 880. It's that synth sound that I didn't like. So i want to send the MIDI data instead. So, yes I was hoping to do something similiar with the bass as I know you can do with drums. Sounds like there are some good options
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 17:13:44
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Okay... so if you can see the MIDI data on the track you should be able to change the track to output to a soft synth on your computer. I'd say clone the track and mess around with the input/outputs on the new one to see what you can get going. Sorry I can't be clearer but as I said I am not used to dealing with external MIDI hardware. In the future you'll probably be much better off just writing your MIDI parts right inside Sonar using the Step Sequencer or Piano Roll View. Hope you get it figured out.
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redbarchetta
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 17:21:57
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Sure, I knew that I would apply it to some synth or some kind of patch, but I didn't which would be the best option.
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 17:23:25
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I like the SI Bass very well. Also, you can download the free Kontakt 5 Player from Native Instruments and get quite a few free instruments from them, including a good electric bass and acoustic bass.
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 17:29:04
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Well as I said, the Zeta Alembic Bass patch is a pretty real sounding bass tone that's good for setting a foundation. Then clone the track and poke around the other Zeta bass patches (or any of the synths really but the Zeta bass sounds are great IMO) and then blend them. Most of the included synths have a Bass folder for patches though so go hunting. Tons of great stuff. Also check out the Garritan Pocket Orchestra stuff or the DSF strings (if you qualified for that free pack) for orchestral cellos, double basses and various configurations thereof. Seriously... you can get lost for hours in all those patches. Have fun and enjoy. ;-)
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Re:IF you had a bass midi track, how would you apply audio to it?
2013/02/26 17:43:54
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I've had good fun bringing in a midi track from the DR880. The DR880 has its own sounds that have lots of different bass sounds too but its audio as you say. But I do prefer to bring in a bass midi track as there are so many synths to run the midi thru. Also a copy of the midi track can add depth and tone using a second synth setting.
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