yusuf38
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Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
before using sonar, i used Logic, and Logic has a function call Low Latency Monitoring, it is used during Recording, to reduce latency. If you think i'm refering to hardware direct monitoring, its not. Low latency monitoring means that you monitor from your software, instead of your hardrive. I wonder if Sonar has something like this. Let me know. thanks.
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/02/27 16:31:50
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In Sonar its a matter of how small you can have you buffers on your hardware. The lower the less latency. Though most people find a delay under 12 MS is instant enough that it wont be a problem.
One reason this forum recommends one should have a good audio interface.
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/02/27 16:35:16
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I don't believe there's a specific command for this, but I'm sure others will chime in to confirm or correct me. Ultimately, I think this comes down to the round trip latency you're getting with your audio interface's driver. Monitoring via hardware (or directly from your audio interface) is preferred, but you can monitor via software if you have low round trip latency with your audio interface's drivers and have no plugins running that would introduce latency.
When I'm tracking, I disable all plugins to lower resulting latency and have no problems monitoring via software with my RME UFX using the ASIO driver mode with 128 buffers. When mixing, I increase buffer size to 1024 or 2048 to compensate for latency-introducing plugins without encountering any pop or cracks.
If you're encountering difficulties doing this, it will help to know your machine & audio interface specs, driver mode and buffer settings.
Hope that helps.
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yusuf38
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/02/27 17:38:32
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Thanks John and Russ for replying. I've relied on the buffer size for my latency issues so far. I am using Focusrite 8i6 and it can go as low as 45 samples, but i never tried as low as that. Lowest i've been is about 220 samples during tracking, because i know that i'm not using the better computers out there.
Latency isnt really an big issue, because i believe that a 221 buffer size is good enough, but since i'm always recording in 44.1khz, i just thought a low latency mode like the one in Logic could end my worries.
Russ, you mentioned "When I'm tracking, I disable all plugins to lower resulting latency"
Do you disable all the plug ins in all tracks and busses or just the track(s) that you are tracking?
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/02/27 17:53:58
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the letter E diables everything on the fly. if you can play over a low quality,you can get those tracks down,
i use it if i start to get crackin at 128 to overdub a quick clip
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/02/27 17:56:29
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iv been havin issues with sonar locked at 64 and wont let go.
it works but i cant get back to 128 now for weeks.
and now monitor from hardware helped.
i change to 128 or higher and sonar kicks it back to 64.
it likes 64 for some reason im missing
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yusuf38
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/02/27 18:04:36
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i didnt know letter E can do that. Cool tip. Thanks.
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/02/27 18:07:20
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You want to try adjusting the buffer setting directly from your interface as oppose to doing it in Sonar.
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/02/27 18:55:34
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Yusurf I know its a year late but welcome to the forum.
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/02/27 20:35:33
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You have gotten some good advice, but I'd like to offer another perspective. Unless I am using a softsynth, I ALWAYS use hardware monitoring. It is a dream once you have it set up. My studio is a professional studio and so having even small amounts of latency during tracking is something clients would complain about. This way there is ZERO latency and the buffers can be set anywhere you like. When I need to record midi via a soft synth, I get the latency low JUST BY DISABLING PLUGINS as described above. There is a button marked "FX" that does the trick, or you can press "E". Most of the time, I can lower the latency just by disabling my BUS plugins. This is a trick I want everyone to know about. I leave the plugins running in my tracks and I don't lower the buffer size- I ONLY disable any BUS plugin and the latency drops to near zero (unless the project is huge). I always recommend hardware monitoring to everyone- I think monitoring through your computer's processor is foolish unless you must for a particular reason. It doesn't tax your computer, and there is ZERO latency. How can you beat that. I don't usually post this long, but as you can tell- I feel strongly about this. I want people to feel my bliss. Anyone can feel free to contact me for more specifics as to how to set this up (with reverb and evrything). My interface is a Profire 2626 which has a software mixer that makes it simple to get levels for hardware monitoring. I also use a hardware "rack mount" reverb/fx unit to add some reverb for those who like to hear it when they sing but I DO NOT record the reverb, I record the dry signal only. This can be done using a small mixer that has direct outs, or in my case, using the Aux 1 channel in the profire's software mixer.
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/03/06 17:30:09
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thanks for the useful tips BlixYZ. I'm slowly getting use to your advice. However, i'd like to know if i can have the same "rack mount" effect while monitoring, by using the Roland Octa Capture. Having a rack full of good stuff is sweet, but it's fantasy world in my case.
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/03/06 18:53:07
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Just be careful when tracking that you're not using any CPU intensive plugins like Perfect Space (or any convolution reverb) or any look ahead plugins like the ProChannel Concrete Limiter.
Other culprits in Sonar are the LP-64 EQ and LP-64 Multiand Compressor.
When tracking I disable these plugs, or don't use them until the mixing stage.
If, for example, a singer wants to sing through a reverb, I always used to use Pantheon, or now Breverb, as they don't seem to induce any noticeable latency.
BTW, I do tend to let them sing through the CA-2A (PC2A as was), because it sounds great, inspires them to sing better, and introduces little or no noticeable latency.
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/03/06 19:14:46
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BlixYZ
You have gotten some good advice, but I'd like to offer another perspective. Unless I am using a softsynth, I ALWAYS use hardware monitoring. As an aside, for soft synths the latency is one way because there is no audio coming in from the outside to be processed so the real latency would be based on output rather than total roundtrip. i find i can get away with in most cases less than 100ms of midi latency even with a dozen or more synths going at once. sonar does a fantastic job of keeping everything in sync when you are recording audio to "live" midi tracks and soft synths. never ran into a problem with hardware monitoring and using softsynths at the same time.
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/03/07 02:32:10
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BlixYZ
You have gotten some good advice, but I'd like to offer another perspective. Unless I am using a softsynth, I ALWAYS use hardware monitoring. It is a dream once you have it set up. My studio is a professional studio and so having even small amounts of latency during tracking is something clients would complain about. This way there is ZERO latency and the buffers can be set anywhere you like. When I need to record midi via a soft synth, I get the latency low JUST BY DISABLING PLUGINS as described above. There is a button marked "FX" that does the trick, or you can press "E". Most of the time, I can lower the latency just by disabling my BUS plugins. This is a trick I want everyone to know about. I leave the plugins running in my tracks and I don't lower the buffer size- I ONLY disable any BUS plugin and the latency drops to near zero (unless the project is huge). I always recommend hardware monitoring to everyone- I think monitoring through your computer's processor is foolish unless you must for a particular reason. It doesn't tax your computer, and there is ZERO latency. How can you beat that. I don't usually post this long, but as you can tell- I feel strongly about this. I want people to feel my bliss. Anyone can feel free to contact me for more specifics as to how to set this up (with reverb and evrything). My interface is a Profire 2626 which has a software mixer that makes it simple to get levels for hardware monitoring. I also use a hardware "rack mount" reverb/fx unit to add some reverb for those who like to hear it when they sing but I DO NOT record the reverb, I record the dry signal only. This can be done using a small mixer that has direct outs, or in my case, using the Aux 1 channel in the profire's software mixer.
a big +1 to this one I also always use hardware monitoring.
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Re:Low Latency or Software Monitoring Option
2013/03/07 03:20:24
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@BlixYZ: The advantages of hardware monitoring are why I'm finally springing for an SSL X-Desk. Actually, I'm kindof a moron for recording for 12 years without an audio mixer and relying on software monitoring, which has always been a bit of a pain. Once I get a lot of tracks going, the computer chokes if I keep the ASIO buffers down where the latency isn't a problem. I've been choking for 12 years, while spending my money on nice mics (Neumann, Wonder, Gefell, Beyer) and preamps (Neve, Great River, LaChapelle, A-Designs, api, Shadow Hills). There must be a word for that kind of foolish. Part of it is the connections and routing look a little intimidating to me. How to give the artist some reverb while recording a dry signal? How to do a loopback test to adjust the delay compensation? Mind if I PM you after I get the X-Desk?
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