OldNick
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Paste Special locks up Paste
If I select some MIDI events, copy, then paste special, it seems to work OK. But If I then want to select more events and simply Paste, X1 drops as a Paste Special, set to whatever default but pasting as many times as I asked last time, when I _wanted_ a Paste Special. Is that what should happen? Does not seem right to me. Thanks for any help.
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/04 07:22:57
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Nobody else has this? Everybody thinks it's OK? Nobody can see what I am doing wrong? It's still happening. It feels very wrong to me.
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/04 10:42:02
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OldNick
If I select some MIDI events, copy, then paste special, it seems to work OK. But If I then want to select more events and simply Paste, X1 drops as a Paste Special, set to whatever default but pasting as many times as I asked last time, when I _wanted_ a Paste Special. Is that what should happen? Does not seem right to me. Thanks for any help.
I can replicate your findings. I don't believe it should behave this way and therefore is a bug. But I will wait for others to chime in.
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/04 10:42:50
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I think you are saying something like this happens:
You do a Paste Special with conditions like "Replace" and 8 repetitions. Then, the next time you Paste, it does a Replace with 8 repetitions. In other words, your last Paste Special conditions become the default until the next time your reboot Sonnar.
Sonar/Cakewalk has done this for as long as I can remember. It can be a convenience or an annoyance, depending on your workflow and preference. I am used to it and use it to my advantage, but I understand your point.
If it did not work this way, there would still have to be default Paste settings but they would always be the same.
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/04 10:52:10
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OldNick
If I select some MIDI events, copy, then paste special, it seems to work OK. But If I then want to select more events and simply Paste, X1 drops as a Paste Special, set to whatever default but pasting as many times as I asked last time, when I _wanted_ a Paste Special. Is that what should happen? Does not seem right to me. Thanks for any help.
Paste has worked like this for as long as I can remember.It will remember the paste settings for the session. I don't think it's a bug but might be. I've always assumed it was intended.
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/04 10:54:17
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konradh
I think you are saying something like this happens:
You do a Paste Special with conditions like "Replace" and 8 repetitions. Then, the next time you Paste, it does a Replace with 8 repetitions. In other words, your last Paste Special conditions become the default until the next time your reboot Sonnar.
Sonar/Cakewalk has done this for as long as I can remember. It can be a convenience or an annoyance, depending on your workflow and preference. I am used to it and use it to my advantage, but I understand your point.
If it did not work this way, there would still have to be default Paste settings but they would always be the same.
Good point. I can see where this could be advantageous for repeat "paste" needs but since "paste special" keeps the last setting it seems somewhat redundant to have "paste" update itself and keep the same setting as "paste special". Maybe I'm missing something.
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OldNick
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/04 19:06:26
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Thanks for discussing this guys. Well I certainly do not remember this happening and I reckon I would have noticed, but it's many years since I used Cakewalk/SONAR heavily. It's GOT to be wrong. It means that for the rest of the session I can't do any paste that is not what I did on Paste Special, so I have to use PS all the time, altering the conditions. Paste is useless once you have done a Paste Special. It should allow me copy, pick a track and time, and Paste. It does that until you use PS. This is unlike any other programme's behaviour that I have ever encountered. I don't see how it can be an advantage, because next time I paste, I 99% of the time want to paste somewhere else from what I pasted in the first place. Often it's a simple drop, further down a track.
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/04 20:18:38
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Sounds like this is one of those things where there should be an option to retain the last paste settings (or not).
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/05 01:34:19
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OldNick
Thanks for discussing this guys. Well I certainly do not remember this happening and I reckon I would have noticed, but it's many years since I used Cakewalk/SONAR heavily. It's GOT to be wrong. It means that for the rest of the session I can't do any paste that is not what I did on Paste Special, so I have to use PS all the time, altering the conditions. Paste is useless once you have done a Paste Special. It should allow me copy, pick a track and time, and Paste. It does that until you use PS. This is unlike any other programme's behaviour that I have ever encountered. I don't see how it can be an advantage, because next time I paste, I 99% of the time want to paste somewhere else from what I pasted in the first place. Often it's a simple drop, further down a track.
I'm a little confused as to the behaviour you are seeing now. You should certainly be able to paste where you want using paste. It should not "tie" you to pasting in one place after using paste special. The only thing that remains constant is what is pasted not track or time location.
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/05 02:54:21
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hmmm...what is happening actually is that the paste after a Paste Special is pasting where I place my Cursor (my mistake. I was confused), but it's doing everything else as if it was the paste special. So If I ask to Paste Special 10 iterations of a bar, I get that. If I then copy another passage, and ask to Paste after having set a new Cursor location (I only want 1 copy), I get 10 iterations or the newly copied material, at that location. So it's not as bad as I thought, but has still tied up use of a simple Copy and Paste for the session. So basically I either use Paste all the time, or Paste Special Paste all the time. Still seems wrong to me, and like a bug.
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/05 05:34:48
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If you want it to return to pasting just one copy, go to paste special and change it to one.
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/05 07:31:19
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Thanks for the reply. Yes. I realise that. But in a very complex situation, I would like to see as little avoidable complexity and side issues as possible. This seems to be avoidable, complex, side issue.
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/05 09:58:45
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I am agnostic on this issue so long as I know what to expect, although I think Sharke's idea of making this configurable is good. The question is where that would rank with all the other desired fixes and enhancements.  The goofier thing to me is that Paste always wants to Paste at the location from which you just copied unless you tell it differently. For example, if I copy from Track 20 and then open the Staff View of Track 21, Paste wants to go to 20 unless I do Paste Special. Again, I suppose there has to be a default and my hand is permanently trained to do Crtl+Alt+V. (By the way, OldNick, I hope you know that Paste Special shortcut because going to the menu all the time is a huge pain.)
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Re:Paste Special locks up Paste
2013/03/05 22:14:01
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Ctrl Alt V is certainly one to remember and thanks for that. Regarding the "Where does it paste?" thing, I guess I am just happy with the idea that you have to select the track and location before pasting, although I can see that it would be easy to think you had _done_ that, by actually opening a view on that track.
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