Is anyone here using Maschine inside of Sonar?

I am curious about the workflow. Maybe it might be enough to sway me back to Sonar. Right now I am using Live 8 and I am not digging Live 9 at all or the direction Ableton is going into so I am considering selling it and going back to what I know really well which is Sonar. I used Sonar from 2005 to 2012 until i upgraded to X1 and had a **** ton of problems with rewire. However going to Live has made me miss the things I really did like about Sonar when it was working correctly. Since then I have also picked up Maschine and I do not like it as a DAW replacement mostly because I dislike the sequencer and I dislike mixing with it. I miss mixing with Sonar. That is one of my favorite things about Sonar so I am considering coming back if for nothing else mixing reasons because Live's mixer is crap and its very cpu hungry compared to Sonar. Anyway I would love to see someone chime in about their workflow with maschine in sonar as a vst especially if they have a Maschine controller template for Sonar.

There have been some post in this forum concerning using Maschine within Sonar... maybe someone will chime in once they come on line.

perfectprint


use it as i have done a hardware unit with my default template being each pad going to its own audio track, taking advantage of all 16 outs. Can also have each group being sent to its own audio track using half as many outs. Drag and drop audio and midi, sequencing in maschine, sequencing in sonar - many different ways to work so you can keep switching it up till you find your ideal workflow. Not a fan of controller templates. Ill take keyboard shortcuts and a mouse over programming a few rudimentary controls into a midi controller any day.

I love controller templates anything to keep me away from the mouse and keyboard really. If Sonar's mixing and audio tracks were on par it could totally be a DAW replacement for me.  For now I have been using it as a controller to control Live but mixing in Live is not a strong suit though its better than mixing in Maschine. 

Wow you can't use it as your midi keyboard in Sonar? That is exactly how I use it in Live. I do all of my sequencing in Live with it because I dislike Sonar's sequencer that is crazy. Well maybe me going back to Sonar with it is a bad idea i'll continue to look into it. I wonder if anyone has made a Sonar template for Maschine I bet that might help. I also wonder if its the difference between the main maschine and the mikro. I have the big maschine MK 2     

Swiller


Own a mk1 mikro with latest software.

There was an issue with the metronome count in, but in x2a its fixed.

What is it you want to do with it that you worry is missing? It's a midi device and sonar will read whatever it can throw out like any other. Choose maschine as the input and configure maschine appropriately, like you would do in any other daw.

What was the count in issue that was fixed in X2A? I wonder if that was the same issue I was having with rewiring Reason into Sonar. I am not worried about missing anything I just want to work how I want to work. I like the feeling of working on a drum machine that I get from working on Maschine. That workflow is built into it for Live as well with a template so I can arm tracks, control the transport, launch scenes and patterns ect all in Live directly from the Maschine hardware. I am wondering if I can get a similar workflow with it for Sonar. I kind of doubt it since Sonar is more like a console and tape machine than a midi focused tool like Live but that is in large part why I miss Sonar. 

You can run Machine as a fairly configurable MIDI controller...

Andy would you mind expanding on this a little bit? I've tried pretty hard but I, and others, seem to be having a hard time grokking this concept. Might be nice to have a bit more clarification on your --OR-- part also.


Thanks

OK, MIDI Mode first:  

Boot your computer, but don't start any music software.
Your maschine hardware should say something like:

"Start Maschine or Press Shift F1 for MIDI Mode"

Once in MIDI mode you can select which template you want to use.  A template is a mapping of the pads and controls to various notes and controllers.

You edit templates by using the NI Controller Editor software which should have been installed with your Machine.


Using the hardware this way allows you to use the Maschine hardware as if it were bob's pretty good drum controller.  It's not controlling the maschine software at all.

sharke

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Swiller


Own a mk1 mikro with latest software.

There was an issue with the metronome count in, but in x2a its fixed.

What is it you want to do with it that you worry is missing? It's a midi device and sonar will read whatever it can throw out like any other. Choose maschine as the input and configure maschine appropriately, like you would do in any other daw.

What was the count in issue that was fixed in X2A? I wonder if that was the same issue I was having with rewiring Reason into Sonar. I am not worried about missing anything I just want to work how I want to work. I like the feeling of working on a drum machine that I get from working on Maschine. That workflow is built into it for Live as well with a template so I can arm tracks, control the transport, launch scenes and patterns ect all in Live directly from the Maschine hardware. I am wondering if I can get a similar workflow with it for Sonar. I kind of doubt it since Sonar is more like a console and tape machine than a midi focused tool like Live but that is in large part why I miss Sonar. 

What was the problem with ReWire'ing Reason into Sonar? I'm toying with the idea of doing some ReWire'ing myself but will shelve it if Sonar doesn't play nice. 

Loop recording doesn't work right when doing so. Not a big deal if you don't use loop recording but I use it heavily. That was a big reason why I stopped using Sonar because at the time Reason was my main VI but I never liked audio editing with it and I like fx vsts. These days I am considering Sonar because I don't use Reason as much as I used to and I miss mixing and editing in Sonar. 

My pleasure.  I hope that helps you get rolling.