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Deleting whole measures from a song (SOLVED!)
I would imagine this is a simple task, but I can't find it anywhere in the help files. I want to remove 4 bars from the intro to a song. Do I have to manually delete the clips and then manually select the clips after the deletion and move them to the new location? If I can insert a measure of time across tracks, surely removing a measure is the reverse of this process?
post edited by percepto - 2013/03/01 10:48:00
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 09:30:35
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Select measures at the timeline, Edit > Delete Special, make sure "delete hole" is checked.
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 09:35:38
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Thanks for your answer, but what do you mean by "select measures at the timeline"? Delete SPecial is greyed out as I have nothing selected, which was my question, do I have to manually click on every clip across all the tracks?
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 09:52:14
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Select all the tracks by pressing Ctrl + A OR clicking on the track numbers one at a time in the Track pane while holding Ctrl OR clicking the track number of the first track, hold Shift then clicking the bottom track's number OR click and drag your cursor along the track numbers OR in the Console view do pretty much any of those click commands on the track numbers at the bottom of the console. Once your tracks are selected do a range select and do what scook said. You should work through the tuts in the manual. Selection options are basic stuff and imperative to working with Sonar. They are discussed in the tuts fairly early on.
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 09:57:34
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And by Select Measure at the timeline he means to put your cursor over the bottom half of the timeline with the Smart Tool (it should turn into an "I" shape) then click and drag over the range you want to remove. This is called a "Range Selection" and again is a very basic but important function for editing audio.
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 10:47:30
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Thanks Beepster. Clicking in the lower half of the timeline didn't give me an "I" shape but it still worked! Yes, you're right, just have to spend a little more time with the tutorials!
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 11:03:41
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Ah, right. It stays an arrow. I was thinking of the range selection cursor in the Clips Pane. The tuts only take a a couple afternoons but will save you a TON of time trying to figure out how to do the basics. Well worth it. You might want to snag X2 Power by Scott Garrigus when it comes out as well. His stuff is easier to understand than the manual.
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 11:20:51
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I forgot to add that I had already looked at the help files before I posted (I'm a responsible Sonar user after all!) and I couldn't find the info I needed. I just spent another 20 minutes looking through in case I missed it the first time and I can't find any reference to your tip about range selection.
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 11:27:33
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It is all described in Tutorial 6 - Editing Your Music pg 143. That section would take you maybe 10-20 minutes to work through and it is hugely important. There are more intricate editing features but that tut will cover most of the common functions you will be doing over and over again in Sonar.
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 11:27:35
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If you don't have the pdf http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013290 Some find it easier to search, for example "delete measure", after a few other hits, will ultimately take you to page 713 for the step by step instructions The only downside of the pdf is that it is not updated like the online help. Another reason to get Scott's book is that "SONAR Power!" series lack the errors that are found in the manuals.
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 11:30:46
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BUT there is a reason you should walk through ever one of those tuts one step at a time. You will be able to move around the main elements of the program a lot easier so you can move onto more in depth topics. Trust me... you will only hold yourself back if you have to come here asking about basic functions.
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 11:34:13
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Yeah... the PDF is way easier to look through although using Ctrl + F can be a little useless. Best bet is to look in the index under the term you are looking for and then use the Acrobat page finder to jump to those pages. This however depends on actually knowing the correct terms to get started with which is another good reason to go through the tuts. Lots of names for things that aren't immediately apparent so if you don't know the proper terminology you won't be able to find the info.
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 11:54:08
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Again, thanks for the info, but of course I already read this section (6) completely before posting. It describes how to edit an individual clip, but there is nothing to explain about deleting a range of events between 2 points, which is a fundamental part of song arrangement (for me anyway) I also looked in the Arranging and editing section and it wasn't there either? Where is the pdf to be found? Is it different than the online help within the program? Cheers
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 11:55:08
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Sorry, I just saw your link to the pdf. Thanks
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 12:10:38
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All those editing techniques apply to all tracks that are selected. That means if you select things the way I described earlier then do the stuff described in that chapter the changes will happen on all of the selected tracks. Select Tracks 1, 2 and 3 so their track numbers are blue and crop the ends, drag the clips, make a split, etc and the change will apply to all of them. Just reading the tuts isn't as beneficial as actually performing the steps within the sample projects. Not trying to be a jerk here but you are going to get very frustrated very quickly if you don't scoop up these basic skills before trying to start putting projects together. Cheers.
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/01 12:33:15
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Also you need to figure out the difference between the various selection options. Like... Track in focus: This is when you have clicked on a track in the Track Pane or on it's strip in the Console and the track control area or track strip turns a lighter gray than the other tracks. The track number will NOT be blue and the clips within the track will NOT be selected (when clips are selected they will turn gray by default). You can only have one track in focus at a time. Track Selected: This is when the track number is blue. All the clips within the track will be selected (they will turn gray by default). You can select multiple tracks for editing and other functions the way I described earlier. This is probably the most important selection type because it lets you make bulk changes easily. Clip selected: This is when you click on an actual clip segment and it turns gray but the surrounding clips remain unselected. You can select multiple clips one at a time by holding down Ctrl (there are other ways to select multiple clips as well). When a clip in a track is selected the track number will turn blue just like if you selected the entire track but only the selected clip will respond to changes that fall under what can be done to selections. Each of these ways of selecting audio and MIDI data do different things so really get used to these concepts.
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Re:Deleting whole measures from a song
2013/03/02 13:01:05
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I don't think you are being a jerk at all, feel free to give me advice, it's appreciated. Thanks for the explanations of selection etc, but of course I had already understood this, I didn't just open the program and expect it to teach me everything! (not defending myself, just letting you know that I already read through all the basic stuff before I even opened the program. But, you're still missing my point. What I actually asked isn't even in the tutorial! As I said, it deals with a single clip, not multiple clips across tracks. You told me how to do it, but I still can't find any reference to it in the help! I've just searched the help files for how to edit multiple notes velocities, same problem, I can't find how to do it! I have a simple kick drum pattern and I've just edited each individual note's velocity one at a time in the event list view. There must be a better way, but I can't find it either in the pdf or even a Google search! My song is already almost complete. I have over 30 tracks of music with effects, busses, panning, volume, send automation etc and I'm about to record the vocals. Apart from the vocals, and some special effects I want to add, the mix is pretty much complete. I couldn't really get that far just by trial and error, I have put the effort in (and realise of course that I still have a lot to learn!) My issue is that the info is not easy to access.
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