Is there a Doubler feature in Sonar like there is in Izotope Nectar?

Just watching a vid and the guy does something really cool on a vocal track. He uses Nectar to essentially make clones of the track then sets a delay which is simple enough but then he applies some kind of pitch altering between these layers making it sound like multiple takes. I'd kind of like to play around with something like that. Does V-Vocal have similar features and if not what other tools would I have in Sonar to accomplish this kind of thing?

Cheers.

@John... For sure and I'm learning how to do all this stuff manually but that Nectar Doubler thing is so simple. Would save a lot of time and guesswork. Just though maybe there was a plug within Sonar that might do that kind of thing. I do want to get the Ozone mastering suite at some point but I'm not sure if Nectar is included. Doesn't do me any good right now though because I'm broke.

Oh well. Probably good to get used to doing this kind of thing manually first anyway. Cheers.

That's more or less what a chorus does.

Vocal Strip has a doubler.  I'm not convinced how effective it is, but I do use it on backing vocals.
 
I used to use two free ones - ADT and a Martin Eastwood one - the name escapes me.  I'll have a look and post back.

Scook beat me to it beepster,

I've used it in the past to good effect. Give it a whirl. 

Hi Beepster, I'm not at my DAW but I'm pretty sure there is a Doubler function in the VX-64 Vocal Strip. Simple o use and limited controls but it might be adequate for your purpose.

The doubler inside the VX-64 Vocal Strip works pretty well I would say. it's a question of taste if you like the sound of it.
just my opinion...


Cheers,

Two recordings is almost always better than artificial doubling. If you have trouble getting the timing right on the double AudioSnap is your friend. I use it if I'm doubling or for the background vocals that are trying match there timing. They don't have to be timed exactly. Often leaving small differences will make it sound more human.

VX-64 works well if you remember to turn everything down a notch so that to acts mote like a thickener than doubler. I use it extensively on voiceovers and have never had a complaint about it sounding thin.

For auto double-tracking, try this plugin:
 
http://www.vstcafe.com/2010/01/adt-artificial-double-tracking-vst.html
 

You can clone the track, delay one track fwd a bit and another back a bit, and then use Melodyne or V-Vocal to shift the pitch a fraction.  It would be best to shift one slightly up and one slightly down instead of moving just one.  I have even highlighted small sections at a time and alternated tuning so the same track isn't always the one that is sharp or flat, but that is a real pain.

I have a TC Helicon VoiceWorks Plus (hardware) and have used it a lot.  It sounds good, but has some glitches.  By that I mean, the processed signal will occassionally have a little artifact that is noticeable if the vocal is out front.  The glitch is caused when the TC takes a fraction of a second to analyze the pitch.  Some people's voices are more problematic than others.

Lately, I almost always record the vocal twice and then use Melodyne to correct any bad pitch or timing issues.  It is quite tedious.

I have used the doubler in the Vocal Strip (and it can be automated, by the way) but I find it just adds a small amount of thickening—it doesn't really sound like two voices to me.

I really don't like the way voices are doubled / multiplied these days. The person singing is no longer stable and in one place and my mind doesn't know where to focus. It's really bad with headphones.
The vocalist now bounces around all over the place, with echos everywhere. Feels like my brain has to spread out to try and keep all the pieces together.

It's even worse now that I'm also concurrently reviewing what the mixer did to create the effect.

The quick and dirty way to do this is to clone the tracks in the methods already described.


The right way to d it is to record the track multiple times. Take the time to get the tracks (as many as you need.... at least 3 tracks) as close to perfect as you can get them. 

Listen to the Beatles. They perfected the vocal doubling technique.  Sir Paul and John would at times spend days upon end just working on the vocal track to a 2 minute 30 second song getting the parts pitch and timing perfect.  Listen to  their music. 

Then once you have the tracks pick the lead and the others will be the doubling tracks. No need to time shift them or pitch shift them.... matter of fact you want them to be as close to the original lead track as is possible. Simply set the levels properly and pan them properly and you should have a nicely doubled track without having it sound processed and fake. 

Try the same thing with the harmony tracks in the project too. 

this project>>>  http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11962059  had a bunch of  vocal tracks. 2 leads, and IIRC 2 doubling tracks on each of those.... (that's 6 on lead vox)  and then harmonies... IIRC there were a number of tracks for harmonies. ( at least 2 each for 4 more)  Lots of true doubling in that on the vox. Nothing is cloned, it was all recorded track by track. 

Take the time to do it right and you will appreciate the sound a whole lot better. 

one of my favorite vocal presets/plug ins is the VS-64/vocal strip.
it has a setting called doubler in it that i use alot to gain width in my vocal tracks,that and along with channel tools i am able to do some really cool stuff with one vocal track.