Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing

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2013/03/03 15:12:45 (permalink)

Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing

Hey all... I was wondering if anyone knew of any good reading resources for dealing with various aspects of mixing.  Almost like a trouble shooting manual so to speak... For example.

1) My mix is too muddy what do I do
2) I have a ring in my snare drum, what do I d
3) How do I get a nice thud out of the kick drum
4) How do I get rid of extra bleed from the snare
5) My overall mix sounds dull
6) My instruments don't seem to blend well, they all sound isolated.

Things along those lines.  I have a general idea of what to do, but, my knowledge is not precise enough.
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    jbow
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/03 15:18:02 (permalink)

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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/03 16:20:33 (permalink)
    Dude... you bought X2 early enough to snag the free month of Groove3 didn't you? I hope you redeemed that because the offer expired feb 28th. I'm currently working through some mixing vids right now. If you've a few extra bucks you might want to pay for a month pass. I'm learning a lot.
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/03 17:16:41 (permalink)
    Hey Beep... I did, but I was also looking for something that could be very specific and pin point. Something that was in text form not video.  Sometimes I like to read and make notes. It sticks in my brain better sometimes. 

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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/03 17:24:18 (permalink)
    Well I've been writing everything down as I watch the vids. Kind of a pain in the butt (I too prefer text but whatever) but there seems to be a lot of very pointed advice in some of these. That said check out the techniques sub forum on here. There have been tons of thread relating to mixing/mastering as well as many that offer good books to read up on these topics. 

    Mixing is so subjective though and there are so many variables I think the best thing is to absorb as many different techniques as possible and experiment. There just isn't really any easy answers or specific methods that'll guarantee a good mix every time.

    The good news is you have a broad selection of tools and a very large pool of knowledge here on the forum. That helps a lot.
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/03 17:38:19 (permalink)
    Oh and to give my limited knowledge to the questions...

    1) Too vague. Muddiness can come from a huge number of things so this is not something that can be answered easily.

    2) EQ out the low end using a low pass filter, do a notch filter sweep (create a very narrow band with the Q knob, crank up the gain on it then sweep it back and forth through the spectrum to find where the ring is... then turn it down). Put a compressor on it with a somewhat slow attack so it doesn't kill the crack of the snare then use a slowish release time so the compressor doesn't turn off before the snare hit is finished ringing out. Play with the threshold to figure out what level is need to make this sound natural.

    3) Boost the bottom end and do a low mid scoop just after that low boost. Then do that notch filter/sweeping technique in the hi mid range to find the beater click and keep that slightly boosted with a slightly curved Q on the band.

    4) Use a limiter/gate before it hits the compressor and set it so the gate closes before you hear the bleed.

    5) Again too vague

    6) You gotta find the right way to EQ and pan each. Also learn about delay, reverb and the Haas effect to bring more depth to the elements in your mix.

    I'm still learning myself so don't take that as gospel and some of it might be completely wrong but that's how I've been interpreting things so far.

    Just keep reading, watching, asking and most importantly experimenting. Good luck.
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/03 17:45:46 (permalink)
      Oh and make a plan. If you are trying to mix a vocal heavy song (like pop or whatever) work on your vocals first then mix around that starting with bass, then rhythm guitars, lead instruments and then sit your vocals on top. If it's more instrument based mix your drums first starting with the kick and snare then add in the toms and overheads. You could also do those drums in reverse for an old school more live sounding drum feel where you use the overheads to get the entire kit sounding like a completed sound then just use your close mics as helpers (mostly the kick and snare). 
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/03 18:14:51 (permalink)
    Mike Senior's "Mixing Secrets" is a classic and well worth reading. Most of what he talks about applies to the home recording studio as well as the professional setup. He has a great writing style, gets down to the point and tells you everything you need to know. One of the most renowned books on mixing out there. Just read the reviews. 

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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/03 19:15:11 (permalink)
    Hey Beep, those were not questions meant to be answered here. Those were just the kind of topics I'd like to have reference material for.  But, thanks!
     
    Sharke, thanks I'll check into that book!  I think it's the second time I've seen you reference this guy.
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/03 19:27:34 (permalink)

    Mixing Audio - Concepts, Practices and Tools by Roey Izhaki is an excellent choice of reference.

    It can get a little heavy going, but there is very little missing from this book.


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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/03 19:56:02 (permalink)
    +1 to Mike Senior's "Mixing Secrets" and Roey Izhaki's "Mixing Audio".  Both brilliant, and they compliment each other.

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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/04 15:32:37 (permalink)
    jb101


    +1 to Mike Senior's "Mixing Secrets" and Roey Izhaki's "Mixing Audio".  Both brilliant, and they compliment each other.


    And another hearty +1 to both these titles.  I'd recommend reading Senior's book first ... it's a little less comprehensive and quicker to get through.  I'd also recommend planning to read them both a second time in a year or so.
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/04 15:42:00 (permalink)
    The Izhaki book comes in Kindle format too.

     
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/04 16:26:39 (permalink)

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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/05 13:31:31 (permalink)
    batsbrew





    http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Mixing-Mixerman/dp/1423491505


    Certainly an amusing read, but really not a good source of information for learning mixing techniques ... other than bits of wisdom like "don't do your final exports when stoned" and advice on how to avoid disputes with band member girlfriends.  Also, the author has a definite prejudice against non-analog gear.  That's what makes the Senior book so valuable.  He recognizes the limitations most home studio producers are faced with and offers his expertise accordingly.
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/05 13:49:48 (permalink)
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    Mixing Audio - Concepts, Practices and Tools by Roey Izhaki is an excellent choice of reference.

    It can get a little heavy going, but there is very little missing from this book.


    Another vote for this book. It is simply excellent and worth every penny. I also think it'll be the only one you need.
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/05 14:00:16 (permalink)
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    Mixing Audio - Concepts, Practices and Tools by Roey Izhaki is an excellent choice of reference.

    It can get a little heavy going, but there is very little missing from this book.
    Another vote for this book. It is simply excellent and worth every penny. I also think it'll be the only one you need.
    I agree. It's an excellent book. Comes with a DVD of sound samples as well so you can hear demonstrations of the effects he talks about.

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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/05 14:11:26 (permalink)
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    Mixing Audio - Concepts, Practices and Tools by Roey Izhaki is an excellent choice of reference.

    It can get a little heavy going, but there is very little missing from this book.
    Another vote for this book. It is simply excellent and worth every penny. I also think it'll be the only one you need.
    I agree. It's an excellent book. Comes with a DVD of sound samples as well so you can hear demonstrations of the effects he talks about.

    And another..... +1
     
    As has been said, not any easy read, at least half of it went way over my head first time out, but I certainly don't regret buying it. I've been thinking recently that I should read this again as it's been a few years now, so hopefully some of that stuff will make more sense now.
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/05 14:33:47 (permalink)
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    Mixing Audio - Concepts, Practices and Tools by Roey Izhaki is an excellent choice of reference.

    It can get a little heavy going, but there is very little missing from this book.
    Another vote for this book. It is simply excellent and worth every penny. I also think it'll be the only one you need.
    I agree. It's an excellent book. Comes with a DVD of sound samples as well so you can hear demonstrations of the effects he talks about.


    Yes - good call Bub. I'd forgotten about all the audio examples on the DVD.

    There's nothing more frustrating when learning than reading something being described without being able to actually hear it. With this the samples are referenced all the way through the book so you can actually hear exactly what is being written about at any point in the book. That alone makes it worth having.
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/08 18:41:45 (permalink)
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    Hey all... I was wondering if anyone knew of any good reading resources for dealing with various aspects of mixing.  Almost like a trouble shooting manual so to speak... For example.

    1) My mix is too muddy what do I do
    2) I have a ring in my snare drum, what do I d
    3) How do I get a nice thud out of the kick drum
    4) How do I get rid of extra bleed from the snare
    5) My overall mix sounds dull
    6) My instruments don't seem to blend well, they all sound isolated.

    Things along those lines.  I have a general idea of what to do, but, my knowledge is not precise enough.

    Hi Red,
     
    Sorry I'm a little late here, but you're more than welcome to join my forum if you feel like it. I have quite a few awesome reads in my audio section of my forum and you can even post questions etc. It's not super busy or anything, but there are some really good reads on there that address exactly what you're asking for. It's free to join...you'll just need to wait for me to ok the sign-up which usually takes anywhere from a minute to a day tops. Everyone else is welcome also. Not trying to steal anyone from here, but any audio geeks or people that want to learn are more than welcome...as well as anyone else that just wants to tag along. :)
     
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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/08 19:08:26 (permalink)
    Thanks Danny... Done.


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    Re:Looking for some good reading on various aspects of mixing 2013/03/08 19:14:02 (permalink)
    No problem, authorized your account so you should see everything now. Hope you enjoy it Red...some good stuff to read through for sure. :)

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