peterjung
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Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
I am new to these forums and freely admit to being a total newbie in all things computer based music ...enthusiastic but a total newbie none the less.
Can anyone recommend a good tuner application for X2? I am look for something that can check the pitch of samples played through Kontakt (for example) and let me see if they are in tune or not.
I have a basic piano track in a MIDI file which sounds pretty good played back through some of the Kontakt piano libraries. I am now trying to add a simple bass line using the Kontakt Rickenbacker library but some of the bass notes sound terribly out of tune?
I am looking for something that can check each note sample and tell me how far out (or in) tune they are….
I did find something called K-Tuner which is supposed to show up as a Plugin…I installed it but cannot see it in Sonar X2.
Does anyone have any similar experience of out of tune sample libraries? It seems such a basic thing to me that I am think that perhaps I am making some fundamental mistake somewhere that I do not realise?
Any help would be very much appreciated!!
I am running Win 7 Ultimate 64.
Thanks in advance!
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/06 08:46:03
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Sonar used to come with a Tuner plug-in, but I don't believe it works with 64-bit Sonar.
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/06 09:21:39
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Thanks for the input daveny5....I am running teh 64 bit so I will continue to search.....
Is it common for a sample library to be out of tune...seems a bit odd to me?....then again it is probably something I am doing...?
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/06 09:40:28
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Now..this is odd...tried doing an export to MP3...and on the MP3 the bass is in tune?????
what is going on here? help!
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/06 09:49:28
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This is a known problem that has been discussed in this forum. There are a few patches (mostly bass, I believe) in Dimension Pro that are not in tune. Cakewalk is aware of it, but has not taken any action to resolve it. The workaround is not to use those patches. Those are the only ones I know of that are not in tune.
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/06 09:57:32
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daveny5
This is a known problem that has been discussed in this forum. There are a few patches (mostly bass, I believe) in Dimension Pro that are not in tune. Cakewalk is aware of it, but has not taken any action to resolve it. The workaround is not to use those patches. Those are the only ones I know of that are not in tune.
daveny 5...thanks....I appreciate the input..thought I was going mad for a bit there......!
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/06 09:59:22
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Cakewalk is aware of it, but has not taken any action to resolve it. The workaround is not to use those patches. I love that about Cakewalk. Put out a a new feature to get people to buy your product. Ok so it has a few bugs, no problem, I'm sure they'll fix that soon. 5 versions and 100's of complaints later still no fix. Well that's the way it appears sometimes anyway. Mike [not really a rant, just an observation]
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/06 10:03:58
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Yeah, and beware the Dim Pro patches that blow your system up.
However, I believe peterjung is having problems with samples from Kontakt.
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/06 10:12:24
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I believe peterjung is having problems with samples from Kontakt. True enough. My coffee doesn't appear to be working just yet. I saw Dave NY mention that Dim-Pro has the same issue and my short attention span took over. Sorry all. Mike
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/06 10:18:53
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There's a lot of free Tuner VST's out there.
Melda has one that is 64bit in their Free Bundle, and there are a bunch of freeware ones, but the only ones of those I have been able to find are 32bit, and most didn't work very well.
I use the Melda one now and the one in Guitar Rig 4 (but the GR4 one is not free).
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/06 10:54:42
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I would be quite surprised if anything in the Kontakt library were not at A-440, but please let us know if you find such a thing. I have never had a sample library (or synth sample) that sounded out of tune, but maybe I have just been lucky so far. (Actually, some Hollywood Strings samples have individual bad notes, but they claim they were intentionally left in for realism.  . I prefer the VSL Dimension Strings approach that lets you control the Humanization.)
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/06 11:11:10
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If you own a guitar tuner, plug it into an output jack or if it has a mike put it in front of the speaker.
Try the KVR site, there must be a free tuner there.
Another one is to check and make sure your controller isn't sending pitch bend info from the mod wheel of joystick. This might explain why the export was in tune too.
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/06 11:32:01
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Konkakt to my knowledge does not have out of tune patches.
Dim Pro had some bass patches that some reported as out of tune but my understanding is that was fixed.
The advice from Konrad is very good and may explain your problem.
Welcome to the forum Peter.
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/07 21:58:44
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Ok, thanks to all for your input and responses! It is very nice to receive such a warm, friendly and helpful welcome onto this forum!
Well after a bit more playing around I have some interesting results...
Firstly Bub - many thanks for the heads up on the Melda stuff...some great things in there!
Using the Melda tuner app I can check that, yep the Kontakt samples are pretty much perfectly in tune....
I also checked that the piano sample are also in tune..yep no problem there either....
But the playback through Sonar just not sound right at all.....at this point I was really questioning my hearing...
Then as I mentioned above I have saved off various parts to an MP3...and whoa...on the MP3 playback everything is perfectly in tune!
So....why does it not sound right in Sonar? No idea. I am using a digital piano as a MIDI controller so there is no pitch bend available...but I found that even when I programme the bass by hand the same thing occurs..strange...
Anyway, I guess I can live with this for now knowing that the final "print" should be ok....
Thanks again
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/07 22:25:38
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I had a weird tuning related problem recently. A MIDI Rhodes loop in a piece I'd been working on all of a sudden started playing out of tune. The notes would start in tune, but as they decayed they'd drop in pitch quite noticeably. It hadn't been doing this before. So I changed the synth to a Kontakt piano (Alicia's Keys) to see if that was out of tune as well. It was. The thing was warbling out of tune as the notes decayed. The funny thing was that playing the same chords on my keyboard sounded fine - it was only when I started playback that they would warble. I imported the MIDI clip to a brand new project with the same VSTi's loaded, lo and behold they sounded fine.
And then, the next day, the problem went away. It really flummoxed me for a while though, and just reinforced my feeling that screwy things start happening in a project the longer you work on it.
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/07 23:43:05
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peterjung : "Anyway, I guess I can live with this for now knowing that the final "print" should be ok.... "
I hope you will get this working a bit better than that, it should be possible.
I wouldn't give up just yet.
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/07 23:56:34
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For the record - Here is Peter's thread on the NI forums. http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189908 NI Kontakt libraries not immune from tuning issues - Either the B3 or C3 in Vintage Organs is notoriously a few cents off. With the Leslie on its hard to hear it. NI claim it was intentional and because the instruments sampled were slightly out of tune  If I need a tuner I use the tuner in Amplitube 3. I think the tuner is included in the free version.
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/08 06:58:01
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Excuse me, but am I right to think that "out of tune" and "not perfectly tuned" are different things and this thread IS about "out of tune"?
And yes, +1 for M Tuner! (simple's the best)
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/08 10:11:16
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Guys..again thanks for the great input...
To illustrate what I was talking about I will try and post an audio clip of the playback though X2 and then the MP3 for contrast .....as much for my own sanity check as anything else!!....not sure the best way to capture the pure X2 audio output but I will work on it...
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/08 18:40:13
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John
Konkakt to my knowledge does not have out of tune patches.
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/08 19:15:13
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Jlien X
John
Konkakt to my knowledge does not have out of tune patches.
Band > (Guitar >) Rock Guitar
I have used that patch and it sounds OK to me as far tuning goes. I'm not crazy about its sound though.
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Re:Tuner App For X2 ? - Out of Tune Sample Libraries?
2013/03/08 19:45:06
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John
Jlien X
John
Konkakt to my knowledge does not have out of tune patches.
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I have used that patch and it sounds OK to me as far tuning goes. I'm not crazy about its sound though.
Insert a tuner and play the highest notes. They ARE quite "out of tune." (BTW I'm a guitarist so I only use the patch during songwriting) I'm sure there are other intended "not perfectly tuned" patches in Kontakt, and also in third-party libraries (one of bass libraries I use, which is Shreddage Base Pick Edition, isn't perfectly tuned, either). But as long as it sounds OK when played with other instruments, I consider it "in tune."
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