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X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
The forum search function sucks, imo.
Is the consensus that V-Vocal is simply broken?
I'm running X2A (64) on Win8.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/10 16:10:45
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Agreed on the forum search. Always has, always will.
I can't help with the V-Vocal thing.
It seems that some use it with no issues and others can't use it at all.
I and many others have gone the Melodyne route. I switched 4 years ago and have never looked back.
It costs a few bucks but you will not regret it at all.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/10 16:36:44
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No, V Vocal in X2a it's perfect i use it everyday for mono bass pitch and time corrections too.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/10 16:57:41
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I've used V-Vocal for years with very few issues.
However, depending how you use it, yes, V-Vocal does have some limitations, and best practice is to use it on shorter clips, to correct occasional intonation or timing problems in Vocals, or mono instruments.
If you need to do more than that, you'll probably have to spend money on something else.
(also . . . searching Cakewalk Forum works best in Google, and there are some great threads discussing V-Vocal)
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/10 17:25:28
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/10 18:07:14
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I use V-Vocal on X2a without issues -and it's great by the way.
That said, after installing X2a initially I did have a problem with V-Vocal. It was crashing my file every time I tried using it. After speaking with Tech Support I learned they were familiar with folks with this kind of issue and advised the way to correct it is a full uninstall of X2, and then a re-install.
That sounded like a horrible idea.
But Tech Support provided me with the steps for the full uninstall (and I've seen those steps listed in several threads here in the forum).
It was actually pretty painless to do the uninstall and reinstall.
After I did that, I found that everything worked great including V-Vocal. I now use it regularly without issues and appreciate its features.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/10 20:57:41
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I've been using VV quite successfully ever since it was first given to us with very few issues. Of course I would love it to have more abilites, but it works well. It's not "broken".
There are many discussions of it on the forum and I believe that the google methodf (which I can never remember) works well for searching the forum. the search feature on this forum as we all know is more troubled than ir "should be"...
There are a number of suggested methods of using it but that known, it also mostly works doing things sometimes referred to as "not the right way to use it"... ;-)
So if it's not working for you at all, there is some other problem going on... Tho I am using Win7Prox64, I have used it on another user's win8 system and it appeared to be working fine there too...
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/10 22:03:58
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For me, the underlying (original) clip is NEVER muted automatically like it used to be. So on playback I hear both the corrected and original clip unless I manually mute the underlying clip. I've seen a few other posts complaining about this behavior, but not sure yet why it's different for some of us.
I have submitted a bug report, and at Cakewalk's request uploaded a sample project showing the issue, but haven't heard anything since.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/10 22:16:00
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I've been using V-vocal since it was first included in a Sonar Release (6?) through X2a without issue. There have been some times when it has done something unpredictable but never anything that kept me from working. I have done the short clip approach and opened entire vocal performances and neither has been demonstrably advantageous. The project always dictated the approach.
Since I know it can work I would suggest looking into the uninstall/reinstall approach to see if a remedy exists there.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 02:10:58
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BCnSTL
The forum search function sucks, imo.
Is the consensus that V-Vocal is simply broken?
I'm running X2A (64) on Win8.
What symptoms are you suffering? Why do you ask? I'd say the consencus is V-Vocal is ok, but not as flexible and powerful as, say, Melodyne. The forum search/the forum software IS poor.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 04:54:37
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I also have been running V-Vocal without issues since version 6PE
BUT - I've been trying to apply it to a couple of clips recently and this has resulted in an instant crash. I've sent the bug report to Cakewalk (no answer yet)
These 2 clips have good level, are clean, free of bleed and monophonic.
I've tried everything I know of - including copying them to a blank project and attempting to do the VV work there.
This has worked out fine for 1 clip but not the other.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 06:10:34
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Bristol_Jonesey
I also have been running V-Vocal without issues since version 6PE
BUT - I've been trying to apply it to a couple of clips recently and this has resulted in an instant crash. I've sent the bug report to Cakewalk (no answer yet)
These 2 clips have good level, are clean, free of bleed and monophonic.
I've tried everything I know of - including copying them to a blank project and attempting to do the VV work there.
This has worked out fine for 1 clip but not the other.
That's so odd, that it should work okay for you for so long, and then suddenly change. I did see your thread about it, but could think of nothing to add. Is it jsut these two clips? What are they? Have you used it since on other clips?.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 06:18:15
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I'm another one in the "never had a problem with it" camp but it does seem to be one of those "works fine or doesn't work at all" features.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 06:42:58
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jb101
Bristol_Jonesey
I also have been running V-Vocal without issues since version 6PE
BUT - I've been trying to apply it to a couple of clips recently and this has resulted in an instant crash. I've sent the bug report to Cakewalk (no answer yet)
These 2 clips have good level, are clean, free of bleed and monophonic.
I've tried everything I know of - including copying them to a blank project and attempting to do the VV work there.
This has worked out fine for 1 clip but not the other.
That's so odd, that it should work okay for you for so long, and then suddenly change. I did see your thread about it, but could think of nothing to add.
Is it jsut these two clips? What are they? Have you used it since on other clips?.
They are both short sections of palm muted guitar. The palm muting had the effect of raising the pitch by a few cents, enough to totally throw it off against the bass. I'm going to try again on another project tonight, one with vocals, see what happens with this. If necessary, I'll do a complete reinstall of Sonar, as I have ZERO plans on going down the Melodyne/Auto-tune route.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 06:59:30
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Bristol_Jonesey
jb101
Bristol_Jonesey
I also have been running V-Vocal without issues since version 6PE
BUT - I've been trying to apply it to a couple of clips recently and this has resulted in an instant crash. I've sent the bug report to Cakewalk (no answer yet)
These 2 clips have good level, are clean, free of bleed and monophonic.
I've tried everything I know of - including copying them to a blank project and attempting to do the VV work there.
This has worked out fine for 1 clip but not the other.
That's so odd, that it should work okay for you for so long, and then suddenly change. I did see your thread about it, but could think of nothing to add.
Is it jsut these two clips? What are they? Have you used it since on other clips?.
They are both short sections of palm muted guitar. The palm muting had the effect of raising the pitch by a few cents, enough to totally throw it off against the bass.
I'm going to try again on another project tonight, one with vocals, see what happens with this.
If necessary, I'll do a complete reinstall of Sonar, as I have ZERO plans on going down the Melodyne/Auto-tune route.
I guess see if works okay on the vocal clips. If it does, then maybe it's something to do with the added percussive-ness of palm muting? Just thinking out loud. If it crashes on the vocal clips, then I guess un-install, re-install may be best way to go, looking at lawajava's post above. I remember seeing a very detailed set of instructions for doing this somewhere, can't remember where..  Good luck, tell us what happens.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 07:11:24
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I most certainly will!
I have the detailed uninstall document here (I wrote most of it!)
I need to get this working as I rely on V-Vocal for lots of things, not just pitch correcting vocals
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 07:24:51
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Bristol_Jonesey
I most certainly will!
I have the detailed uninstall document here (I wrote most of it!)
I need to get this working as I rely on V-Vocal for lots of things, not just pitch correcting vocals
It was your list I was referring to, hence the wink. I use it on bass quite a bit. I've even fixed the odd bum note/bad bend in a guitar part before. I have an old acoustic bass that I love, but it's intonation is a little wayward, so VVocal comes in very handy.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 07:25:19
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It crashes Sonar upon launch, without fail.
Guess I will go the uninstall / reinstall route.
Thanks for the feedback!
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 09:32:26
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It crashes Sonar on launch without fail. I went melodyne route after my CWBN was transfered to development years ago and it not being addressed in the following couple of updates. Melodyne Editor is way better
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 10:50:33
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I have Melodyne editor but it isn't without issues.
Many of my projects have tempo changes and Melodyne usually get's out-of-sync after a tempo-change. Annoying as heck.
I was going to give V-Vocal another shot for some light tuning, to see if it handled tempo-variation with more grace.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 10:52:34
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Just save to clips and move on. If you have to undo it, the original is still there.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 11:40:27
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CoteRotie
For me, the underlying (original) clip is NEVER muted automatically like it used to be. So on playback I hear both the corrected and original clip unless I manually mute the underlying clip. I've seen a few other posts complaining about this behavior, but not sure yet why it's different for some of us.
I have submitted a bug report, and at Cakewalk's request uploaded a sample project showing the issue, but haven't heard anything since.
John
Lately I've been running into this too, even worse sometimes I hear the original as I'm working on the correction trying to hear that's its right. Makes things impossible. It is intermittent and does work fine sometimes.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 12:39:03
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Computer specs? Run disk and memory scans. You may have a hardware issue.
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Re:X2(a) and V-Vocal - Broken
2013/03/11 21:24:55
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BCnSTL - like I mentioned above the uninstall / reinstall completely fixed it for me. Do a search on uninstall and you'll probably find several threads with the uninstall steps.
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