Midi luminaries...can you help please....

Good day all...
 
OK...I'll try to be clear as I can and not leave out any pertinent info.
 
For ease of scolling/selecting patches I created an SGX Nitro .ins file to work within X2.
I imported the JV1010 as my template and renamed all patches and all (4) banks to the SGX Nitro guitar preamp names/patches which also has (4) banks.
Bank A - 115 presets (116-128 I renamed as 'user')
Bank B - 115 presets (116-128 I renamed as 'user')
Bank C - 115 presets (116-128 I renamed as 'user')
Bank D - 71 presets (116-128 I renamed as 'user')
 
When I'm in X2 with BANK A selected I can scroll patches fine.
But, when I change to any other 'bank' the SGX Nitro LCD defaults to patch 129 rather than going to patch 1 of the newly selected SGX 'bank'?
I even tried to learn something about anything I may have done wrong here:
http://home.roadrunner.com/~jgglatt/tutr/bank.htm
 
Understanding the whole midi implementation process has always been a annoyance for my neurons.
Apparently, it's beyond my lack of intellect and I've tried everything I can think of with no success.
 
Thanks to all in advance for any help....
 
 
 
 

musicman100


perhaps the Nitro needs an MBS/LSB bank command first to change Bank presets as you read.
Do you have the midi implementation chart for your SGX? lets take a look at it.

As requested above would be helpful as not all midi devices use the same bank switching method.

Hey musicman100....

This link is a page from Glenn Thomas's home page who also wrote a patch editor for the SGX many years ago.
It's the owner's manual for the SGX.
http://www.glennthomas.net/art/resources/sgxnitro.pdf
 
His homepage is here should anyone else be interested:
http://www.glennthomas.net/art/

I think page 57-59 are the pages you refer to.
I'm totally clueless after reading it more than once.

You're a good man for chiming in on this PMO I've been dealing with.

Thank you...and Wookie too.
 
EDIT: regarding Page 5 - even if I set up BANK B in X2 and change the bank on the Nitro to that same BANK as soon as I start to scroll in X2 it automatically goes to patch 129 on the Nitro instead of patch 1 on the selected BANK B, C or D.
 

craigb

musicman100


perhaps the Nitro needs an MBS/LSB bank command first to change Bank presets as you read. 

BTW - That should read MSB/LSB (not MBS), which stands for Most Significant Byte / Least Significant Byte. 

thank ewe Craig, im bass akwards, i knew what you meant

Quazelar


Hey musicman100....

This link is a page from Glenn Thomas's home page who also wrote a patch editor for the SGX many years ago.
It's the owner's manual for the SGX.
http://www.glennthomas.net/art/resources/sgxnitro.pdf
 
His homepage is here should anyone else be interested:
http://www.glennthomas.net/art/

I think page 57-59 are the pages you refer to.
I'm totally clueless after reading it more than once.

You're a good man for chiming in on this PMO I've been dealing with.

Thank you...and Wookie too.
 
EDIT: regarding Page 5 - even if I set up BANK B in X2 and change the bank on the Nitro to that same BANK as soon as I start to scroll in X2 it automatically goes to patch 129 on the Nitro instead of patch 1 on the selected BANK B, C or D.
 

SGX Nitro guitar preamp

 
 
 
That interesting because  midi specs are program changes for 128 patches (0-127 with 0 being 1 or 0, confused?)
 
so something behind the scenes is going on.
 
That link you provided is the one I looked at, not a lot of information there,, try contacting ART tech support and see if your unit supports bank change and what messages if it does.
 

Quazelar


musicman100...

I noticed that also.
When I imported the JV1010 it notes patches 1-128 in the 'Patch Names for Banks' in the 'Define Instuments and Names' category.

1) Proteus FX module, also having 4 banks, has "* = General MIDI" under that same category and the Proteus works fine.
2) Roland MBD-1 has 2 banks and is also "* = General MIDI" and works fine.
3) Roland MVS-1 has 2 banks and states "1-128" and works fine.

It has occured to me with the help here that maybe I need to choose a template that uses "0-127" for it to work properly?
Any thoughts about that possiblity?
Would that still be problematic because a patch of 000 would acually be 001 on the SGX a would still not behave accurately?
Thank you....

"usually", and I mean to qualify that, the GM bank has a unique MSB/LSB (right Craig ?) to select the GM and its subset bank.
 
I think if you had the wrong patch change message, ie:0 instead of 1 it would just throw your patch change off by one position..
 
I "think" I read you can change banks from the foot controller without touching the front panel, is that correct???
Did you say you have the foot controller? we may be able to capture its sys ex bank change message and then include it into your project..if indeed it is sys ex and not a true MSB/LSB..

try this...

hook the MIDI OUT of your Nitro to the MIDI IN of your DAW

ARM atrack to record with the midi input of the repective midi port the Nitro is connected to

bring up the notro in that bank select page

hit record on the DAW

change a bank on the Nitro

stop record and examine in events pane to see if you see any midi info

if this fails, open the sys ex dump, set it to receive sys ex, go through the Nitro bank change routine from the front panel again...

see if you capture any sys ex..

hope this helps