If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99...

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2013/03/11 16:32:30 (permalink)

If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99...

...be prepared to pay an extra $40 for the discs.  I have 30 Mbps download speed which I check often.  It smokes.  The download service from Cakewalk is about 90 Kbps.  

Sonar Producer comes in 4 parts.  Part one was downloading at 91 kbps, and was showing a 5 hour download time.  Sonar only gives you 300 minutes before the download links expire.  According to the guy at Cakewalk customer service,  if your time limit expires during a download, you will have to start that download over again.  I calculated that it would be nearly impossible to download it, based on their current speeds.  

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    BlixYZ
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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 16:37:00 (permalink)
    i don't have a very fast connection (i have the slowest broadband that comcast offers).
    It did not take 3 hours to DL all of the X2 programs and content.

    It's alot faster than waiting for it to come in the mail and it's painless if you hit download right before you go to bed. 
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    Paul P
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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 16:37:27 (permalink)
    Though my downloads went fine (took several hours), I ended up paying a 50$ one time surcharge to my ISP for exceeding my download limit,
    which had never happened before.

    So beware those of you with limited access. Programs sure are huge these days.
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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 16:39:18 (permalink)
    That is one reason I use "Free Download Manager." If I have to use more than one link, I can copy/paste the new link into the download properties for the file and FDM will resume the download on servers that support resume. CW servers support resume.
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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 16:41:08 (permalink)
    Depends on your connection and system setup (and also, I think, USA vs others). I downloaded it in less than 15 minutes. You will probably hear from others that will be more helpful.


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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 16:42:36 (permalink)
    I downloaded everything in about 2 hours (all four parts) and that was a few days after it was released. Their servers are kind of wacky but this really shouldn't be as big of a problem as you are stating. Most of us downloaded our versions without problems. Not saying you aren't but I would say a) use a download manager and/or b) try restarting your download at another time. Maybe their servers are getting slammed for some reason or they are having problems at the moment. The website has been a little wacky as of late but I think they are hosted by Amazon. Try starting your download late at night or first thing in the morning. Also when I did my downloads the download speed fluctuated wildly throughout the process. You may have just looked at it when it was choking on something.

    Seriously... it took me two hours.

    Good luck and I hope you enjoy X2.
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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 16:45:18 (permalink)
    Hi Beepster, 

    No, I gave it a good hour before giving up.  Cakewalk is running a $99 special, so it might be extremely busy right now.  I get up at 4am, so I'll give it a try then.  But, the DVD's are on the way!
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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 16:50:21 (permalink)
    Ah... yeah if there is a special that might be the problem. It's good to have the discs anyway although it's easy just to burn the .exe's to disc but that ain't as pretty on a shelf.

    Be sure to go over to Groove3 and sign up for an account. You'll get a free pass to their vids. There are some really good ones on X2 there to get you going. X2 is still a little buggy but it really is awesome. Cheers. 
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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 17:04:36 (permalink)
    What 99$ special? 

    Cant find anything....

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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 17:09:15 (permalink)
    hmmm... Yeah, $99 is the usual upgrade price for X1 Producer customers. Maybe Jack got pulled in by some marketing material. 

    Still very much worth it though. I'd have paid that much just for some of the extra plug ins that came with it... but don't tell the bakers I said that. ;-p
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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 17:35:53 (permalink)
    Jackhicks - 

    I'm one of those that also has a problem downloading from cakewalk. Actually it's not just cakewalk, it's anybody that hosts on amazon's servers. It starts off great, then immediately slows down to dial-up speeds and usually either just stops responding or disconnects.

    I love to find out why only some of us have a problem. Is it ISP throttling? Area hand-off Routing problems?

    Anyway, my ISP is ATT and I'm in CA. Who's your ISP and where you located?

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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 17:42:24 (permalink)
    I have a kikass Internet connection at the studio where I work, 
    I got producer's files in under 15 mins ...;) 

    BUT 

    both my X1 studio, X2 studio, AND X2 producer downloads ALL gave me error messages at install (it still ends up working in the end) .. stuff like Registry server crashing and VB 2008 stuff crashing during installation ... 

    I think you did great by ordering DVD's ... I'm not sure that downloading such huge files is so great when it comes to file reliability ...

    Still 40$ is a lot of money for a licence you already paid for ... (but that's another topic). 

    Cheers ! 

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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 17:44:49 (permalink)
    When X2 first came out I tried to download using IE. Epic fail: estimated DL time was over > 5 hours (I cancelled it after 5 minutes) for 1 file. So I picked a different browser (Chrome) and restarted. Everything worked out fine. All of this was on the first day of release so the servers were, no doubt, busy.

    If you are using IE you may want to try a different browser.

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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 17:45:27 (permalink)
    You still have to download the X2a patch which is 530 Mb
    and all the other updates and freebies.
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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 17:49:48 (permalink)
     According to the guy at Cakewalk customer service,  if your time limit expires during a download, you will have to start that download over again.

    That's actually incorrect. The 300 minute limit only prevents you from STARTING the download again after 300 minutes. It helps prevent file sharing/piracy. If it takes longer then 300 minutes, it will not stop your download in the middle of the process.

    FWIW, the files aren't hosted on our servers, they're served up by Amazon Cloudfront. If you're being limited to ~ 90 kbps it could potentially be your ISP, AV software, or a browser setting. Definitely give Chrome or Firefox a test if you haven't done so already.


    EDIT: Also, for clarification, if your links time out just log out of your account and then back in. New links will be generated with new 300 minute windows.

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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 17:52:54 (permalink)
    Yeah, it was just going to take too long.  I'll still try at 4am to see what happens, but I don't have the luxury of babysitting it for what could be a couple of days.

    I am using Google Chrome on a nice clean super fast computer; Intel(R) Core i7-3930k, 3.2 GHZ with 16 GB ram.  My internet connection is 30 Mbps.  The slowest I've seen it run on the download test is about 20.  

    The $99 upgrade special was from something I got in the mail.  But I think if you just go to the Cakewalk store it's the same price; I'm upgrading from 8.5.3.
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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 17:59:18 (permalink)
    Mike, 

    thanks but I've tried them all and all the download managers. The only time I have problems is when download files are hosted on the amazon server farm. It's like I'm sitting in a rain shadow for amazon servers.

    It took me over a week and at least 30 tries before I was able to successfully download x2a and then it took 12 hrs. I can download the same amount from europe in 1 hrs. (actually don't remember the exact time but wasn't good).

    Like I say, it's not just cakewalk but any company that hosts their large downloads on amazon servers. And enough others have reported similiar problems that it makes me wonder if there are certain parts of the country where this occurs the most.

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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 19:48:26 (permalink)
    mmorgan


    When X2 first came out I tried to download using IE. Epic fail: estimated DL time was over > 5 hours (I cancelled it after 5 minutes) for 1 file. So I picked a different browser (Chrome) and restarted. Everything worked out fine. All of this was on the first day of release so the servers were, no doubt, busy.

    If you are using IE you may want to try a different browser.

    Regards,

     
    +1 Exactly what I did ^^^^^^^
     
    It seems that if you lose the download for even a fraction of a second with IE that's it, you have to start again. With Chrome (and Firefox for that matter), the download manager always seems to 'know' exactly where you are in a download. I've had my internet go down for a few minutes before now in the middle of downloading something, and Chrome just carries on as if nothing has happened once the connection is re-established.
     
     

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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 22:55:10 (permalink)
    I downloaded mine through my cell phone as a hotspot.  IIRC it took less than two hours for all four files.  I also used that FreeDownloadManager program which really seemed to speed up the download.

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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/11 23:20:59 (permalink)
    tKx5050: For what it's worth: my comment was not directed at you. Many of the above posts related to user experiences DL'g files. I simply related mine and how I solved the issue for me...and made a recommendation based on that. 


    Note that my experiences were also on the Amazon servers which generally speaking perform quite well for me. I had a problem and I found a solution that worked for me. Please note that I have no ax to grind against IE (Microsoft).


    On the other hand, I wouldn't let AT&T wipe the mud off my shoes. 


    Regards,


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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/12 02:36:30 (permalink)
    Sorry Mike - I shouldn't have put your name in the message as it was really just a general statement. 

    I really have a problem with amazon servers and was hoping to find some kind of corrolation between my problems and others having the same problem.

    Take care....

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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/12 04:51:40 (permalink)
    I think my download, using Chrome was just under 40 minutes

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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/12 05:53:10 (permalink)
    Well, here's my result.  I set everything to download last night at about 11pm.  This morning at 4 am 3 of the modules had downloaded but for some reason the first one hadn't.  I tried to resume the download of part 1, but I had to sign in again and basically start over.  

    As of right now, the current download time to download part 1 is:  16 hours!  It's currently blazing away at 29 Kbps!  I tried turning off my anti virus software and firewall and there was no change in the speed.

    SO, I'm going to have to stick to my original statement....  "If you're planning on buying the Sonar Producer X2 update for $99, be ready to add another $40 for the DVD's."  Maybe you'll be lucky and the download will go smooth, but it just hasn't been my experience.

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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/12 08:22:44 (permalink)
    I downloaded X2 a while ago(no problems). But a few weeks ago I ended up ordering the discs. Because it's a great program and it's an affordable backup. The package it came in looks very nice. So I have it now standing in a special place. And I'm glad I own it. Thanks Cakewalk for taking care of me.

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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/12 08:23:03 (permalink)
    Steve: It's all good bro...

    Regards,


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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/12 18:02:50 (permalink)
    After 3 attempts at downloading part one, using Chrome and then Mozilla, I was ready to fire it up. The final file was corrupt and wouldn't work. So, I'll just wait for the new DVDs to arrive.
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    Re:If you're thinking about downloading X2 for $99... 2013/03/12 18:09:02 (permalink)
    Cakewalk = > EC2 => Done.

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