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March 12, 13 9:27 PM (permalink)

Looking for a drummer

Okay, I give. Still new to this forum and just upgraded from MC5 to Sonar x-2 studio. Long story short, I'm new to this layout and can't find how to bring up Studio Instruments Drummer, or whatever replaces it in this app, so I can listen to and choose whichever drummer I want for this session. If anybody out here can help a newbie, it would be greatly appreciated and I will be sure and acknowledge the "little people" that helped me along the way :) That was tongue in cheek, appreciate any help you can give me. Thanks
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 12, 13 9:38 PM (permalink)
You need to add a soft synth...you have either SI Drummer or Session Drummer...SI might be easier for you to start with. open up X2 and press F1 for the help file. This will bring up the help file. Click on the "Playing and recording with software instruments".... then click the link that says "adding an instrument track to your project"...it shows how to insert Drop Zone, but don't worry...every synth is added the same way...here is the link....http://www.cakewalk.com/D...torial4.1.html#1116525 ...hope this gets you started, as I have to go to bed...others I am sure will chime in and help you! Good luck and welcome!

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Re:Looking for a drummer March 12, 13 9:39 PM (permalink)
Ooops...you won't have Session Drummer...that comes with X2 Producer...but you should have SI Drummer.

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Re:Looking for a drummer March 12, 13 9:42 PM (permalink)
appreciate it Frostysnake. gonna try it now
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 12, 13 9:57 PM (permalink)
I guess I'm not catching on to this very well. MC5's drummer kit, whatever it's called could be pulled up and I could "click" on different drum patterns and grooves, load that on a track and I've got a drum track. I'm not a synth man and I'm just looking for a "groove" to throw some guitar at. I'll go online tomorrow and hit those tutorials you pointed me at and see if I can stumble into it. Thanks for the help, it's appreciated
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 12, 13 10:23 PM (permalink)
To get up and running quickly, just do the following...
1. With a project already open, choose Insert > Soft Synth > Studio Instruments > SI-Drum Kit from SONAR's main menu.
2. In the dialog box, put check marks next to the Simple Instrument Track and Synth Property Page options.
3. Click OK.

SONAR will open the Studio Instruments Drum Kit interface and add a new track to the project. Put your MIDI patterns in that track to create a drum track.

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Re:Looking for a drummer March 14, 13 8:35 PM (permalink)
Maybe Sonar X-2 Studio doesn't come with drum loops. What I'm gleaming from what you guys are telling me is that I need to use MIDI to lay down drum tracks, which would be great if I had and/or knew how to use a MIDI interface, but I don't. No loops? and no MIDI knowledge....bummer
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 14, 13 8:46 PM (permalink)
What I'm gleaming from what you guys are telling me is that I need to use MIDI to lay down drum tracks,



No you can download audio loops or use the ones that come with Sonar and make them into Groove Clips. Its very easy, but you have to learn how to do it. Use the Help Menu, its loaded with good information. 

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Re:Looking for a drummer March 14, 13 8:50 PM (permalink) ☄ Helpful
If you want to work with audio loops use the browser to audition some of the loops (X2 Studio has 3000+ some of which must be drum loops) and one shots (X2 Studio has 500+) to build the groove you want. The reason for the MIDI advice was the original reference to SI Drums. You can work in X2 without ever learning MIDI but you will be missing out on a lot of the power of the tools that you purchased. MIDI is not that hard and you might find that it is extremely useful. There are some videos that cover many of the features in X2 here http://www.cakewalk.com/C...ONARU.aspx/Get-Started
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 14, 13 9:07 PM (permalink) ☄ Helpful
You can also learn how to create your own drum clips through using the Step Sequencer - it's what I use (I am a keyboard player).

It presents you with a matrix of little boxes, for beats and their sub-divisions, and you can just start it looping through the loop and use the mouse to add or remove each drum or cymbal strike, and the loop will just keep looping.  At the end of all of that you have a usable drum clip that you can populate your song with.  There's a bit more to it but that's the easy peasy explanation of one method of getting drums into your projects.

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Re:Looking for a drummer March 14, 13 9:42 PM (permalink)
Wow! you guys are great! If I could figure out how to use the "quote" thingy, I'd have three quotes in this post. I'm sorry if I misled anyone, I couldn't remember the term "drum loops" (early onset alz I guess, or maybe not that early heehee). But loops is what I've been looking, for until now anyway. Daveny5: I can't find the loops that I thought would've come with this app. I used the online upgrade, but maybe I need to re-install the program. Scook: I appreciate and apologize for my misinfo ( refer to the early "alz" noted above). I haven't checked out your link yet but tell me....how would you lead a person in the direction of MIDI if he was broke and can barely fumble his way around a piano keyboard (takes me about 30 mins to find middle C)? Robert_E_Bone: That step sequencing sounds really interesting! Where can I find more info on implementing a pc keyboard? Sounds like a great way especially to get the fills and intros. I appreciate everyone of you guys trying to lead a newbie down the path of righteous music. Thank you for your time and patience, all of you that have posted
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 14, 13 9:44 PM (permalink)
Sorry for the garbled post, don't know if it's the site or this new pc (Win8). gonna re-boot now, brb
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 14, 13 10:00 PM (permalink) ☄ Helpful
There are a couple of ways to work with MIDI without a MIDI input device like a keyboard or drum pads. Some combination of MIDI loops (X2 has a bunch of those and more are free on the web), the step sequencer, the Piano Roll View and Staff View will be the way you get MIDI data into your projects. Studio Instruments and the other softsynths will provide the sounds for the MIDI tracks.
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 14, 13 10:05 PM (permalink)
Scook, I don't know how to quote in this forum but I'm looking mostly to lay down drum tracks so I guess drum pads would be the way to go. Keeping in mind that I'm definitely working on a budget....what would you recommend for a beginner?
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 14, 13 10:12 PM (permalink)
Sorry for this but I keyed on the drum pad thing and then went back to read the whole post. I have not found any drum loops in Studio yet. I think they're there, I'm just not looking in the right place. But when you say "keyboard", I'm guessing you're talking about the keyboard on my pc that enters alpha/numeric characters...right? Sorry for my lack of knowledge, sure hope there aren't any "dumb questions" posted here :)
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 14, 13 10:18 PM (permalink)
The Keyboard mention with the drum pads would be a MIDI keyboard not the PC keyboard. You will however, use your PC keyboard and mouse to interact with the PRV and step sequencer.The audio drum loops (and MIDI loops too), if you installed them, should be visible in the browser in the media tab. If you need help with the browser, check out the video in the link I gave you above.
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 15, 13 2:47 AM (permalink)
I am a piano player.  I use my computer keyboard and mouse in the Step Sequencer to create drum clips.  One of my midi controller keyboards also has drum pads, but I find no trouble at all just clicking on the little boxes in the Step Sequencer to specify drum/cymbal hits.  To undo an errant click on one of the boxes just right-click on the desired box and it erases the box.

By hitting the play button up at the top, it will loop through the beats for that clip, and you can keep adding/undoing drum/cymbal hits with your mouse until you are happy with that particular clip.

Cakewalk does NOT intend to have you use a drum map for any clips created with the Step Sequencer, and editing problems will occur if you do attempt it.

That means then that you will end up learning the note names and numbers that correspond to the various drums and cymbals and such for the given drum synth you are pointing to for the midi output for the track.  That does not take long to master.

Also, you can preview a drum/cymbal sound by clicking on the left side of the Step Sequencer, in the place where the note names are.  That way you can make sure you are triggering the right drum strikes when you are going to enter say kick drum.  Clicking on the note name at the left will let you hear the drum sound for that row, without actually creating an entry into the matrix.

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Re:Looking for a drummer March 15, 13 2:49 AM (permalink)
Also, formatting posts in the forum does not work well with newer versions of Firefox.  I use Chrome and formatting paragraphs and such work fine.  Unfortunately, it does not auto-correct any stupidity in whatever I happen to be typing.

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Re:Looking for a drummer March 15, 13 8:54 AM (permalink)
i am not a midi guy either, i wud recommend the free software "hydrogen", this is a free drum machine you can easily create drum beats with. and then export them as wav-files to an audio track within sonar!

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Re:Looking for a drummer March 15, 13 9:01 AM (permalink)
this a whole video from start to finish shows you how to insert studio drums and use basic midi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k83UVo1OiKA

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Re:Looking for a drummer March 15, 13 9:31 AM (permalink)
I posted a thread about my midi keyboard not working unless I unplugged it and then plugged it back in a while back, and watching your video has just help me solve it.

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Re:Looking for a drummer March 15, 13 10:55 AM (permalink)
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I posted a thread about my midi keyboard not working unless I unplugged it and then plugged it back in a while back, and watching your video has just help me solve it.

glad to hear :)
 
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 15, 13 7:53 PM (permalink)
Just got home from work and went straight to Studio, reviewed step sequencer in the help section. Found it and love it. In MC5 I was loading a pre-existing loop from studio instruments (still haven't found those) then use piano roll to edit fills, intros, and outs. This is way faster because I usually already know how I want the drum pattern. Is that still going to be the way to go edit fills and such? Or is there a better faster way to do it using the step sequencer? I was thinking load the pattern to the track and then go back edit the other stuff. Thanks again....you may or may not know how awesome this forum is to a noob like me Better go kiss the girlfriend now and tell her Hi!
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Re:Looking for a drummer March 15, 13 9:02 PM (permalink)
X2 SONAR Studio comes with the "SI-Drum Kit" which is the new name for "Studio Instruments Drummer". If you follow the instructions in the video in the thread above http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2802474 (nice vid Charlie) and you do not see the MIDI patterns in "SI-Drum Kit" pattern browser, you might want to try an advanced install of X2 and resintall the "SI-Drum Kit". FYI, the "SI-Drum Kit" MIDI patterns are physically located in a hidden directory C:\ProgramData, the full path to the pattern directories is "c:\ProgramData\Cakewalk\Studio Instruments\SI-Drum Kit\Patterns".

You should still be able to use the methods you were using in MC5 updated to the X2 interface. If you wish to incorporate the step sequencer into your workflow, do so. You can edit the MIDI clips in the PRV or step sequencer, whatever works best for you.
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