Transient Shaper weirdness (SOLVED)

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2013/03/13 16:07:08 (permalink)

Transient Shaper weirdness (SOLVED)

Having seen Danny's transient shaper video I decided to try it out on a bass track in my latest project.  

When it's inserted my drum midi track starts missing out some of the notes (mostly bass drum notes).  I'm using Steven Slate Drums 4 as the synth. 

If I remove the TS all works as advertised, reinsert it (in the effects bin, I've not tried it as a pro channel module) the same thing happens. 

Any thoughts? 


post edited by STinGA - 2013/03/14 07:59:32

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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/13 16:17:38 (permalink)
    Increase your MIDI buffers that may help.
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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/13 16:35:30 (permalink)
    Thanks Karl,

    I've a feeling I have tried that, I need to check, I used to ave a similar issue with SSD in Kontakt so increased them then. However, I will check, any idea what the default is off the top of your head?

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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/13 16:45:18 (permalink)
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2635169 might be of interest esp. jb101 posts. Remember the transient shaper is another CW linear phase plugin.
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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/13 17:02:32 (permalink)
    Sting, I'll take a look at this on my end also using Slate and get back to you. I've had quite a few issues with his stuff in Sonar. Their tech support was not too good at helping me though, so I abandoned that ship. I'll do a few tests and see if I get the same results as you.

    When you create the virtual drum tracks, are you using "all tracks stereo" or mono? Let me know so I can look into it for you. I'll be in touch.

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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/13 18:08:45 (permalink)
    Sting, tested it here with 3 instances of TS 64 using Slate 4. No drop-outs or weirdness.

    My first midi buffer setting in Sonar is 128. (default is 64)

    My playback buffer is set to 2000. (default is 256 or 500 I believe)

    No issues at all for me.

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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/13 18:58:51 (permalink)
    Thanks for that Danny, I've not had chance to look at my settings yet, but I'm using all stereo outs. 

    I'll check again tomorrow.

    Thanks again bud. 

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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/13 18:59:09 (permalink)
    STinGA


    Thanks Karl,

    I've a feeling I have tried that, I need to check, I used to ave a similar issue with SSD in Kontakt so increased them then. However, I will check, any idea what the default is off the top of your head?

    I think the default in X1 is 250-I just bumped mine to 500 and havent noticed any kind of issues.  Dont hurt to jack it way up and work backwards with it.  


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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/13 19:02:46 (permalink)
    scook


    http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2635169 might be of interest esp. jb101 posts. Remember the transient shaper is another CW linear phase plugin.

    Thanks matey, a good shout also. 

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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/13 19:03:35 (permalink)
    Danny Danzi


    My playback buffer is set to 2000. (default is 256 or 500 I believe)

    No issues at all for me.

    -Danny

    Im gonna have to move mine up like that and see how it does.  Never ran it that high.  Might help me out with some of my lil quirks Im having.


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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/13 19:31:49 (permalink)
    I was coming in to comment on this thread, but see scook has beaten me to it.
     
    It was only six months ago, but it seems like forever. 
     
    Odd coincidence - I have a singer coming in tomorrow to put down the final vocal for the track I was talking about in that thread, and was just looking at it, for the first time in six months, before I came on and read this thread.
     
    Linear Phase, Look Ahead and CPU intensive effects like Convolution Reverb can do all sorts of odd things to latency and PDC.  I now never use them during tracking, or disable them if I have to track after the event, or freeze them if they throw up any issues.  I then only use them during mixing, when I can set my buffers much higher. 

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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/14 02:51:46 (permalink)
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    Thanks Karl,

    I've a feeling I have tried that, I need to check, I used to ave a similar issue with SSD in Kontakt so increased them then. However, I will check, any idea what the default is off the top of your head?

    I think the default in X1 is 250-I just bumped mine to 500 and havent noticed any kind of issues.  Dont hurt to jack it way up and work backwards with it.  


    I'm pretty sure that 250 is the default as well, although 500 is recommended I think. I thought there had been some changes to the way the MIDI buffer works in X2a making changes unneccesary but I could be wrong. It iscertainly worth increasing if missing MIDI notes is an issue.
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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/14 02:55:31 (permalink)
    Thanks Karl,

    I should mention that this is happening during the mixing phase with my audio card buffers at max, which seems to negate the linear phase issues.  

    I'll get to check later. 

    Thanks for the input.

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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/14 07:58:52 (permalink)
    Solved.....

    Thanks guys.

    With Playback buffers set at 250ms same weirdness, adjusted to 500ms weirdness disappears and all is well.

    HTH someone else another day.


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    Re:Transient Shaper weirdness 2013/03/14 08:53:42 (permalink)
    Same thing happens if you use Rmix, midi buffers up to 1000 sorts out the skipping Midi beats syndrome.

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