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Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
I'm working on recording one of my all-time favorite songs from DONNIE IRIS. It's called "Ah Leah" and is a straight forward rock tune with some amazing vocal tracks. PROBLEM: Starting at 1:36, there seems to be a time signature change. I just can't seem to figure it out. I've tried counting 2/4, 3/4, 5/4 ... but keep on loosing the one. Is there someone out there that can put an ear on this thing? Would appreciate the help. In case anyone is wondering about the .de ending, it's Germany. That's where I live ... http://www.myvideo.de/wat...83/DONNIE_IRIS_Ah_Leah Thanks, Tim
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Re:Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
2013/03/19 13:27:33
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it stays in 4/4 .............. no time or tempo change in there at all.
snare sounds like it pretty much stays on 2 & 4 like it was before that part.
the musical groove changes briefly but on the guitar solo it returns to the groove it started with.
The drums change up a bit from what they were doing but the big factor in the perceived timing is in the other instruments and what they are doing.
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Re:Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
2013/03/19 13:36:30
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it stays in 4/4 .............. no time or tempo change in there at all.
snare sounds like it pretty much stays on 2 & 4 like it was before that part.
the musical groove changes briefly but on the guitar solo it returns to the groove it started with.
The drums change up a bit from what they were doing but the big factor in the perceived timing is in the other instruments and what they are doing.
+1 to what Herb said I thought I was the only one who loves this tune!
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Re:Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
2013/03/19 13:39:36
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Yep, 4/4 all the way through.
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Re:Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
2013/03/19 13:44:54
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This is a good song and video. There are no tempo changes.
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Re:Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
2013/03/19 15:02:54
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you can find the midi drums via google. I googled "Donnie Iris ah leah midi" and several sites came up. you might give that a try, I have found drums before, they worked pretty well.
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Re:Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
2013/03/19 15:10:20
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Solid 4/4 and tempo throughout. Ah ah's might be doing triplets and throwing you off.
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Re:Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
2013/03/19 15:23:48
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Rimshot reporting for duty. Agree with all the above.
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Re:Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
2013/03/19 19:49:59
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A 4/4 beat and Flams makes it sound different , its still played in 4/4 time between , snare , bass and highhat .
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Re:Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
2013/03/20 00:27:07
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Hey, thanks for the everybody. There was a nagging voice way down, saying this is 4/4 but all those other things some of you pointed out were throwing me off ... back to work! Thanks again!!
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Re:Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
2013/03/20 07:42:05
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Wow, hadn't thought about Donnie Iris in 20 years.
Thanks for the head jog.
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Re:Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
2013/03/20 08:51:05
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During that 8 measure bridge, the rhythm section starts an accent pattern on the "and" of 4 (it starts in the end of the preceeding measure).
The accents pattern is 4 eighth notes - "and" "1" "and" "2". If I was playing this live I would probably hit all 4 of those eigth notes on the snare.
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Re:Calling all Drummers and/or Rhythm experts
2013/03/20 10:18:06
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@quantum: it's amazing how flip-flopping the beats like that just make the whole thing feel different! @mikemccue & jamesyoyo: yeah, I found me a CD on amazon with two Donnie Iris albums on it. "Back On The Streets" & "King Cool". Was totally blown away by the songs. Especially, the production and arrangements. On the surface they seem to be harmless little pop/rock songs ... but, there is just SO much going on below the surface. I feel many of the vocal arrangements are on the same par as Queen! "Back On The Streets" has a concept feel to it. The stories that Donnie tells ... 
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