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Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
i have three barracuda 7200 1TB hard drives, and need some help configuring them for X2 on drive#1 i already have my OS,(Windows7) X2 and my programs=Superior Drummer, Kontakt 5 and libraries, UAD2, Amplitube and stuff like that. drive#2 i use a different DAW ProTools 10 set up the same, but everything is 32bit. drive#3 is blank. drive#4 (external) blank i have read many times folks have their audio, projects/sessions, and samples on seperate drives. i'm confused as to what goes where and why and how. Can anyone shed some light or post a link, that would get me in the right direction? how exactly does Sonar write/read and store your project/session to a seperate drive? i'm not having any issues, i would just like to clean house a little, and get better organized, and maybe get a little performance boost. and can you recall your projects with ease? and do they load up correctly? everybody!! give your thoughts and experience. aleef..
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/19 22:01:13
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Conventional wisdom has been that you keep your programs on one drive...you record to another...and you store samples on yet another. In my system, my C drive holds Sonar X2, soft synth programs, etc. Drive D is the drive devoted to my project/audio files. Drive E holds various sample libraries, like those for Alicias Keys, Kontakt, SampleTank, Superior Drummer, etc. I recently added a new 512GB SSD drive (drive F) to hold the Hollywood Strings library. Hollywood Strings used to bog my system down, but now that the samples are flowing from an SSD, I can utilize the most intense sample sets without a single glitch. Sonar handles this kind of set up with ease. Never a problem with recalling or loading up projects. If you'll search this forum, you'll find the topic has been covered a number of times.
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/19 23:00:25
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 01:59:53
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Mine's set up similar to Mel's. Drive C: (500GB) is the OS and music software including SONAR. It's also where I save my exported files. Drive D: (500GB) contains project files and their audio. Drive G: is 1TB and contains all my sample libraries. An external 1TB USB drive is where everything's backed up to (plus redundant backups on a separate computer). Don't be tempted to partition those large drives. That will give you more storage, but at the expense of efficiency. 32/64-bit doesn't matter as far as organizing software and data.
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 02:20:23
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i have a laptop with 2hdds. my os is on a 150gb partition. i don't have write caching enabled. i use the next partition as a backup partition to hdd2, and the third partition is a media drive (mp3s, etc.) hdd no. 2 (a wdc 7500bpkt) has 3 partitions... no 1 is for recording (where i keep my sonar project files), no 2 is my sample libraries (mostly loops, komplete, and cakewalk multisamples), no 3 is a backup to hdd1. i use a smallish (200gb) or so recording part on hdd2 so i can defrag quickly when i am going to be recording to it. my komplete samples load about 30% faster from the wdc drive and my recording hits the disk about 12% lower based on cake's performance meters. I install all program locations using default values and then creating symbolic links to the second drive, or a different partition. that way i never have to keep track of a) changing a parameter in sonar and b) what the move was - i only have to know that i linked to a different location. makes file management a lot easier.
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 02:25:09
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If you do end up having to partition a drive, it's worth knowing that data access is faster from the outside edge of the disc (as I understand it). Therefore, the partition onto which you're going to be recording, or from which you're going to be streaming, should be the first partition (the leftmost partition on a partition diagram).
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 03:27:17
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Mine - - 240 GB SSD for OS and programs
- 1 TB HD with SSD cache for some of larger, slower loading Kontakt libraries such as the Kirk Hunter stuff and the Orange Tree guitars. This is really showing a order of magnitude improvment in load times over my old DAW. I won't catagorically say its due to the SSD cache, but I am very happy with the preformance.
- 2 TB HD - Other samples. Komplete, Toontrack, Independence etc.
- 2 TB HD - Sonar projects and Audio
I use a couple of external USB hard drives for backups
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FullBug
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 03:58:12
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So do you guys copy the sample libraries that came with Sonar - and installed onto your program drive - onto a different drive?
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 07:26:32
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all tests ive run point to keep the os and sonar on a smaller 500gb or under 7200 HD the terebytes should only have sample librarys and project files.
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 07:27:48
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FullBug So do you guys copy the sample libraries that came with Sonar - and installed onto your program drive - onto a different drive? it all depends, you don't need to, if you have a very large library then yes, you can move them to another drive with all your sample librarys.
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Paul P
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 07:57:46
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FullBug : "So do you guys copy the sample libraries that came with Sonar - and installed onto your program drive - onto a different drive? " I prefer storing samples somewhere off my system disk (ssd), somewhere that _I_ choose. Howerever, having attempted this, I'm not a all satisfied with the result. The thing is, several components of Sonar, and third parties like Native Instruments, just go ahead and stick their stuff wherever _they_ feel like it. The result is a huge mess that I'm currently studying to figure out the best way to clean up. There are samples in : c:\Multisamples c:\Cakewalk Content c:\ProgramData\Cakewalk\all_sorts_of_places *:\...\VstpluginDir\Each instrument\stores_its_own_samples and places where I wanted it to go. There are probably many more I haven't listed.
post edited by Paul P - 2013/03/20 08:21:01
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 08:20:19
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The thing is, several components of Sonar, and third parties like Native Instruments, just go ahead and stick their stuff wherever _they_ feel like it. This is incorrect and bad advice. I have all of my libraries installed exactly where I want them without having to move them after installation. You shouldn't have any sample material in c:\ProgramData\Cakewalk\all_sorts_of_place, and it's my suspicion that c:\Multismaples is your Dimension Pro library, the location of which is determined - by you - on installation To the OP: Drive 1 "C:\" - Operating System, Programs & Plugins Drive 2 "D:\" - Cakewalk Projects, including Exports (Mixdowns) Drive 3 "E:\" - Sample Libraries
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Paul P
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 08:23:01
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Bristol_Jonesey, I disagree. I did tell the Sonar installation where I wanted things to go and what I describe is what I ended up with. It's a mess. If I remember correctly, a Cakewalk representative confirmed in this forum that some of it is intentional. EDIT : It is possible that some of this is due to the later installation of sample packs from Cakewalk. For example, the DimPro free samples pack doesn't ask you where you want it to go. It just sticks it on the C drive.
post edited by Paul P - 2013/03/20 08:41:38
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 08:37:12
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Yeah - stuff gets put all over the place - sometimes you can control it during install. Other times you can manually move things and then tell the various synths where they can find their samples. And sometimes there is nothing you can do about it. I have 2 hard drives on my primary computer (and an external drive used just for backups). My primary drive contains Windows, and all applications, along with some of the things like Multisamples and the stuff in ProgramData (hidden folder), and programs for things like SI-Drummer and such. The Multisamples folder is for Dim Pro. I believe that can be moved, but since I am not having any performance issues with those samples, I don't worry about it. Same goes for the SI-Drummer SI-Bass etc. programs, which are in the ProgramData folder. I don't worry about those because each prog file is around 30k in size and they just do not cause any problems for me. The bulk of all of my samples, like Session Drummer 3 and all of my Native Instruments Komplete 8 Ultimate libraries, are on my second drive. I do NOT recommend partitioning. Just add another physical drive if you need one - they are pretty cheap these days. I also store all Cakewalk Project folders on the second drive - alongside of the sample libraries, and do not experience any issues. If I ever feel a need to change that I will simply add another physical drive and split the project folders to be on the new one and the samples to remain on the current drive. Bob Bone
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 09:13:19
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I have 2 2TB HDD on my system, and as many do here I have C:\ for software/OS and D:\ for file storage and samples etc. More recently I installed a RAID 1 3TB NAS (Synlogy 212j) on the network, which in turn gets a regular USB drive backup stored in a firesafe. I might move the samples and content to that NAS directly once I'm comfortable with it.
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/20 10:02:47
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garrigus All the sample content that comes with SONAR gets loaded into RAM, so you can put those anywhere you'd like. It's the streaming sample libraries that will get a performance benefit from having their own separate drive. Scott +1 - I never worry about any of the placement of the non-streaming samples, although if given a choice as to where to install them, I would normally choose my second drive. Bob Bone
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/26 03:53:34
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Hey, thanks for the tips guys. I was out of town the last few days and have another stupid question: What are streaming samples? How do I recognize them??
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Re:Desktpop: what is your internal Hard drive setup??
2013/03/26 16:01:20
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Streaming is a function of the sampler, not the sample. Rather than loading the entire sample library into RAM when the sampler first launches, it will load the appropriate sample(s) from disk (typically in buffered chunks) upon the note being struck. This makes sense for the larger gigabyte-plus libraries, which would quickly fill up available RAM if loaded entirely at startup. So, to answer you question, you need to look at the documentation of your sampler to know for sure. Some samplers actually do both, switching only for larger sample sets (or IIRC sometimes under manual control, depending).
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