What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price?

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What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price?

Owning a quad capture now, which i'm happy with but the 2 guitar/mic inputs just isn't enough anymore. I'm gonna need 8 inputs like the octa capture. Now the octa capture is quite expensive. Then again i bet there is a reason for it. Just to be sure though, are there any similar products for a lower price? Lateny is my #1 worry. Thanks!
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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/03/25 03:50:18 (permalink)
    if latency is #1 worry then you need to go for RME, but that's way over your price range if the Octa-Capture is already too steep

    mind you, latency is also dependent on how much load your DAW can handle i.e. how low you can go with ASIO buffer settings before you get drop-outs. what's your current DAW giving you in that respect? you might want to post your specs, ASIO buffer size and the round trip latency times you get a the moment. that may help others to propose an interface that's better than your current one ...

    Why not wait a bit and save up for the octa-capture? i use it and love. it got lots of good features: 8 high quality mic preamps, 8 out, 2 digital in/out, low latency ... plus not to forget: 4 independent DSP monitor mixes which don't put any strain on your DAW CPU ... and the option to expand later with a 2nd unit to double I/O; especially the last option may save you going through the same upgrade process a year from now when 8 ins are no longer sufficient ...

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/03/25 08:53:26 (permalink)
    Thanks for the input. With low latency being important i mean it should be as good as what my quad capture can do.
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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/03/25 09:12:48 (permalink)
    I have an Octa-Capture.  I had a (cheaper) Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 before, but it died.  I get better latency (and more features) with the Octa-Capture.    I have an MAudio Fastrack Ultra 8R, which is less $$ but it too does not have all the features of the Octa-Capture. 

    Bottom line, you generally get what you pay for.  I didn't want to pay the price for the Octa-Capture, but after trying several other less $$ units I bit the bullet and got the Octa-Capture.  I'm happy I did.

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/03/25 14:08:39 (permalink)
    I used the Tascam US-1800 for a good, general use interface for the stage. It's affordable and stable. Others probably will diss me for it, but it's a good, utility interface. For the studio, I tend to get a bit crazy with stuff - RME, but ya know, whatever works.

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/03/25 15:46:34 (permalink)
    tascam drivers are "iffy"

    some folks don't have problems with them, others do.

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/03/25 17:27:16 (permalink)
    If you're willing to sacrifice some sound quality the Zoom R24 is 
    a viable 8 input interface.

    Bonus is it can be used stand alone, has built in effects, and can be used
    as a control surface - but you not going to get 24/192 out of it, which
    most don't use anyways...

    In stand alone it only goes to 48khz I believe, but as an interface it goes
    to 96khz, which is as high as I go on my Quad Capture anyways...
    The Pre's are definitely not in the same league as the QC's...
    But you'll get the best of several worlds for the sacrifice...

    If you want QUALITY and inputs then I'd recommend the
    Track16 by Motu...it's in a better price range...
    Latency is decent on all these...

    It just all depends on what you want out of it...


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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/03/31 01:46:47 (permalink)
    Thanks a lot.
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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/03/31 02:54:15 (permalink)
    Zoom R24 is a nice workhorse in a band rehearsal room, but the pre amps and audio quality you get are everything but breath-taking ...
    anyway, you get a lot of features for a good price (if you need them), but i wouldn't good for it if you are after decent recordings

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/03/31 14:52:01 (permalink)
    I like the saffire pro 40 myself and it does hardware monitoring (virtually zero latency)

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/03/31 15:16:49 (permalink)
    ChuckC - I'm not an expert where I can cross compare units, but my experience with Focusrite has been excellent as well and I would definitely recommend the OP to give Focusrite a long look before buying something else.

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/04/01 22:25:17 (permalink)
    If low round-trip latency is a major priority... and budget is a concern... checkout the Presonus 1818-VSL.
    Less than 5ms total round-trip latency at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size/44.1k (which is excellent).

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/04/02 12:05:47 (permalink)
    If all your using it for is recording a live band or drums then the Tascam cannot be beat for price point ( $299) ...
     Drivers were terrible in the past under XP 32 bit but I have yet to hear complaints from anyone using an up to date system. The RTL is not great but I don't think any interface at this price has good RTL. If this is only for tracking live audio it will not matter anyways. 

    Then return to a smaller low latency interface for your overdubs and mixing. 

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/04/02 19:54:48 (permalink)
    Anyone knows something about the Focusrite Scarlett 18i20??


    It looks very good but I have no experience with Focusrite or USB audio interfaces, I' am looking for one for myself. 

    MF says it's in stock and ready to ship but sweetwater says  is expected to be available by May...

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/04/02 22:36:01 (permalink)
    Sonico - are you going to set up on a desktop or laptop?

    If it's a desktop, the unit is probably well suited to your interest.

    If you're going to be on a laptop, and also you don't have a pressing need for 20 outputs, the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 is really superb. It's also rugged and portable.

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/04/03 11:53:47 (permalink)
    That's great news!!

    Actually I'am going to using it on both desktop and laptop, My Firestudio Project works great but my new laptop doesn't have a FW input so I have to use an express card and don't like that.
    Also, I've seen a tendency to USB instead of FW so I think my next audio interface will be USB.

    How is the latency on the 18i6?? I' am very used to monitoring with fx while tracking and rehearsing so latency is important for me.

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/04/03 22:03:17 (permalink)
    Sonico - you can set the latency to 2ms on the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 - which is like zero latency for recording. You can't hear it. The accompanying software is easy to use and you can easily raise the latency for mixing etc.

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/04/04 12:20:48 (permalink)
    Sonico - you can set the latency to 2ms on the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 - which is like zero latency for recording.



    FWIW, That 2m is just for the ASIO output buffer.
    If you're monitoring thru software, round-trip latency is the sum of the following:
    • ASIO input buffer
    • ASIO output buffer
    • Latency of the A/D and D/A converters
    • The driver's hidden safety-buffer

    The unit's round-trip latency is thus significantly higher than 2ms.
    About the best you'll find (from any unit) is ~5ms total round-trip latency at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size/44.1k

    The Focusrite's forte' is quality of sound for the $
    If you're looking for the lowest possible round-trip latency, there are units that go lower (RME, MOTU, Presonus VSL to name a few).

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/04/05 00:40:16 (permalink)
    So Jim, Overall which one do you think is better between a Focusrite 18i20 and a VSL1818.

    I understand that at round trip latency VSL1818 wins, but what about drivers, preamps, features, etc.

    I own a Firestudio Project and I' am very happy with it but I've heard that the VSL1818 has a problem with the preamps easily overloading and difficult to set without clipping??

    Thanks for your comments!!
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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/04/05 15:20:54 (permalink)
    So Jim, Overall which one do you think is better between a Focusrite 18i20 and a VSL1818. I understand that at round trip latency VSL1818 wins, but what about drivers, preamps, features, etc. I own a Firestudio Project and I' am very happy with it but I've heard that the VSL1818 has a problem with the preamps easily overloading and difficult to set without clipping??



    I'd give a slight edge (slight) to the Focusrite on fidelity.
    1818-VSL has the edge regarding round-trip latency.
    Given those two choices, I'd take the 1818-VSL

    The VSL preamps are similar (if not identical) to those used in Presonus VSL digital mixers.
    These units are used in a lot of live venues to mix/record simultaneously.
    We have a club/client in Nashville doing this... 



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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/04/05 18:09:37 (permalink)
    Jim,

    I take it that the smaller models should behave similarly. I'm seriously considering a Scarlett 2i4. In fact, unless there's a major change, I should pick one up next week. 

    Is the RTL that bad and/or any idea of the best I can expect? 

    I don't really use input monitoring that much at this point so it's not really a concern, but, should I ever need it, I'm wondering what to expect.

    Worth mentioning - I currently can lower the buffers all the way down to 32 w/ my (sucky) M-Audio Fast track w/ its core audio drivers. I'm wondering if it's something exclusive to M-Audio or the core drivers... But I am assuming that this would further reduce the RTL.

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/04/07 22:21:26 (permalink)
    Rain - I have the Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 and set at 2ms I can't perceive latency at all. Sounds to my ear like zero latency.

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    Re:What would be a good audio interface with 8 inputs, low latency and a decent price? 2013/04/08 04:47:39 (permalink)
    Thanks! :)

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