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I am disgusted...
I just visited a friend's "home studio". Mind you, he's working in the major leagues w/ some fairly big names out there, so he can justify the expenses. I had seen the room he wanted to use after we all moved to Vegas last fall but this was our first visit since he started working on the studio. A huge argosy desk, a giant screen up on the wall for scoring, 2 big displays, a pair of NS-10 used as "sh!tboxes", a pair of big Adams, a couple of Dynaudio, Apogee converters, a little Command 8 control surface and on and on... I'd seen his setup in NY last summer, where he lived in a suite exactly like ours in the same building and I was already impressed. I knew he had gear back home, but, man... I got back to my little home set up and brand new monitor seemed small. In fact, my whole set up looks almost like a little something that he could put in a corner of his studio, for guests... lol But then again, there's something about using as little gear as I can... You know, just my laptop, Logic, a midi controller and a pair of monitors. Anyway, I think what struck me the most was the sound quality. Actually, I dare say it was better than quite a few commercial studios I've been in. The room, the treatment and the Adams all working together delivered something that was just out of this world... Pure. More than any gear, that's what I envied, what I wanted to work on getting closer to... The good news is that he has plenty of leftovers for room treatment which he offered to give me for my own studio - which will accelerate things on my end quite a bit. I had budgeted the bass traps, but was expecting a downtime after that. Now I may be able to add a couple of traps on top of what I planned PLUS deflection. The other good news is that my wife asked what I needed next and I'm getting the new audio interface next week. :)) I've pretty much settled for a Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 - I never record more than one track at a time so 2 ins are fine and I wanted an extra pair of outputs for secondary monitors. I also get midi connectivity - should I need it... As an extra bonus, it seems it comes w/ Novation Bass Station Soft Synth. :P For a while, I was seriously considering TC Desktop Konnect, but w/ FireWire being a thing of the past on my platform, most of the other options either exceed my needs by far in terms of I/O or are just silly expensive for what I do. And now I can't wait to say goodbye to my old M-Audio Fast Track and it's RCA outputs. Down to the training room, where it'll finish it's life serving a noble cause.
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Rain
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Re:I am disgusted...
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I do realize there's something ridicule in the contrast between me starting a post being totally depressed because I've been exposed to huge expensive gear and leaving on a happy note because I'm getting a $200 audio interface (as an upgrade!!). It actually worries me quite a bit that I might be becoming optimistic, something I can't live to see. It could push me over the edge.
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/04 02:38:00
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A well tuned room (acoustic treatment) and good monitors positioned right makes all the difference. And it's good to have more than one set of monitors. If you want your studio to look bigger? Get a bigger desk Actually, I found a good size (solid, sturdy) desk, 5ft wide x 2.5ft depth and perfect sitting height of 2.5 for about $120. The height is very nice and prevents strain (arms and wrists.) The desk easily fits a 'slim' 88,note keyboard (full-size keys) controller with enough room to spare for monitors, racks, i/o interface, qwerty and mouse. I have a LCD monitor sitting behind the keyboard. The monitor is raised up a little (4 to 5 inches) so I'm looking straight ahead and not up and not obstructed by the keyboard. My computer tower is so incredible quite, it sits on a slide-out tray on top of a cabinet next to the desk, nice and close to me so I can see if the lights are on?... that's it actually ON? LOL!! Overall, a very comfortable setup, easy to reach things without the butt leaving the chair. Leaving just enough space in the room for video and photography work. .
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/04 03:52:09
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Is his name CJ?
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/04 10:27:31
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craigb Is his name CJ? Now that's funny! ^ ^ ^ I'm lucky to have a wife also who supports my hobby but I've never heard her say," What piece of gear do you want next". It's funny when people come into my home studio how many people flip out over the desk. A very important part of the studio is to have a comfortable work area IMHO. Just be careful I have fallen into the trap of buying things to make the studio look cool rather then buying what I really need. The studio can become a drug. Sounds like you've got your act together knowing what you need. Looking forward to seeing more pics of your studio progress. Later Kev
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/04 10:58:02
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I guess there will always be a better setup somewhere. This guy probably visits his buds and envies their gear lol. I think with a treated space and that Scarlett you are well on the way. Mixing/engineering skill trumps gear any day although you need fairly decent gear to show the mixing skills. I had a desk built for me a few years back. A guy I knew who had a wood shop built it for me. I would say it was one of the most important things I have ever done for my studio. The only real problem I have now is lack of space. I have just enough room for me. Get someone else in there and it can get cramped. I use ARC so I don't use sound treatments...yet. Here is an older pic of my setup. It's a lot more cluttered with "stuff" now. I now have a rack setup on the right of where I sit at arms length with a mixer/gear so I can adjust things without getting up. When it comes right down to it a mix that blows you away in a nice upscale studio won't sound as good on the kinds of systems that will play the mix and I would venture to guess that your mixes will sound just as good across other systems. A modest setup with a good engineer well done can make killer mixes.
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/04 16:49:04
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That's a nice workspace you have there, Starise. Looks warm and intimate, which is great for creativity imho - it helps focus.
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/04 17:02:48
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I think it's simply a matter of establishing a logical progression. At this point, it wouldn't really make a difference which converters I use - I mean I couldn't really take advantage of that. That's the kind of thing you can start agonizing over once you have everything else settled - great room, great monitors, great mics, preamps and all... Considering that the vast majority of what I do is ITB, using soft synths and soft samplers, a lot of the nice looking gear is simply unnecessary to me. I mean, I'd LOVE to need that stuff, but I don't. lol
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/04 17:13:42
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My DAW is in my lap. My studio is scattered between the dining room and an upstairs room. One daughter has the attic space I need crammed full of her stuff. I know, I know... excuses, not reasons but it is what it is. At least I have a room, but I have to box up a lot of books, find a place for some rather large combo amps (2x15, I have two of them, old 60s Jordan stage amps). It does get frustrating but Rain, you are as far ahead of me as he is ahead of you so... it figures that there is someone as far ahead of him as he is ahead of you. I have a friend in Brentwood, TN (Mike Gay, we were HS classmates) who has a home studio in his basement. It is called Beech Creek Studios. You can see some of the people who record there on his FB page. He really is a great guy. http://www.nashvillemusicpros.com/profile/BeechCreekStudios https://www.facebook.com/beechcreekstudios It is all relative, J
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/04 17:34:16
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What a studio! And that's where Tommy Emmanuel records?! How cool! You know, I may be envious for a second but when I consider that I quit a job that I hated 2 years ago and hadn't had to work since, that I've traveled everywhere and that my wife not only pays for everything but actually wanted to make sure that I had a dedicated room in the house, w/ adequate equipment and that we would invest on room treatment... Man, I've never put that much attention to my home studio or had as much consideration for "my art" as she does. I made due w/ whatever I had, which was usually the cheapest option. I never considered "my art" was worth any serious investment...
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/04 17:35:24
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Sorry the the single paragraph - I'm on FF again, as the forum seems to prevent me from posting w/ Safari one day out of two.
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2013/04/04 17:38:06
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Did you read the equipment list on the first link? The following is a list of the recording equipment and instruments currently available at Beech Creek Studios: MICROPHONES Ribbon (1) RCA-77-DX [vintage] (2) RCA-44BX [vintage] (2) Royer R-122 Large Diaphragm Condenser (2) Mic Shop (Bill Bradley) MS-47 (1) AKG C24 MK2 [vintage] (1) Neumann U87i [Korby mod] (1) Korby Kat-5: U47, U67, C12, 251 & C800 capsules (1) Korby Kat-4: U47, U67, C12 & 251 capsules (1) Korby KAT [body only] (2) Neumann TLM 170 (2) AKG C 414 B-XLII (2) AKG C 414 B-XLs (1) AKG C 414 EB-P48 (1) Audio Technica AT4060 (4) Audio Technica AT4050 (2) Studio Projects C-1 Small Diaphragm Condenser (3) Neumann KM 84 [vintage] (2) Neumann KM 54 [vintage] (2) Neumann M 582 [vintage] (2) Neumann KM 184 (2) AKG C 451-B (4) Shure SM-81-LC (2) Crown PZM-30D Dynamic (6) Sennheiser MD 421 II (1) AKG D112 (1) Audio Technica ATM25 (1) Shure Beta52 (5) Shure SM57 (3) Shure SM58 (1) Shure Beta 57 (3) Shure Beta 58 (1) Shure PE50SB (1) Shure KSM9 (1) Electrovoice RE20 (1) Electrovoice PL11 (2) Electrovoice PL77B (1) Fender P-51 MIC PREAMPS (1) Gordon Audio M-5 (2 channels) (1) Universal Audio 2-610 (2 channels) (1) LaChapell 583e (1) AEA TRP Ribbon Mic Pre-amp (2 channels) (2) API 3124 (8 channels) (1) Neve 1073 D (2 channels) (1) Millenia HV3D-8 (8 channels) (2) A-Designs P-1 (2) Shadow Hills Mono GAMA (2) Daking 52270 (1) Chandler Germanium (1) Avalon 737sp (1) Jim Bock (2 channels) (1) Presonus Digimax 96 (8 channels) (16) Digidesign C|24 preamps EQ (1) GML 8200 (2 channels) (3) API 550a (5) API 550b (1) API 560 (1) API 560a (1) API 560b (2) API 553 (2) Daking 52270 (1) Avalon 737sp (1) LaChapell 583e DE-ESSERS (1) Empirical Labs Derr-Esser COMPRESSORS (1) Universal Audio 2-1176 (1) Universal Audio LA2A (1) Tube Tech CL-1B (2) Daking FET-Compressor II (4) Empirical Labs EL-8 Distressor (1) Empirical Labs EL-7 Fatso (2) dbx 160 VU [vintage] (1) Avalon 737sp EXTERNAL EFFECTS PROCESSING TC Electronics System 6000 CONSOLE / CONTROL SURFACE Digidesign C|24 CUE SYSTEMS (2) Furman HDS-16 (8) Furman HRM-16 (4) Furman HD2 (1) Mackie Headphone Amp (40+) Headphones - AKG K271, AKG K240, AKG K270, Sony MDR7506 INSTRUMENTS Yamaha C7 FII 7' 6" Grand Piano 1954 Hammond C2 with percussion unit Leslie 122 & Tone Cabinet Wurlitzer 200 Piano Pearl Reference Series drums - 6 piece McPherson acoustic guitar 1976 Martin D-41 1967 Gibson Melody Maker 1970 Yamaha FG-180 1973 Takamine L-400 12 String Gibson Historic Shop-59 Les Paul Fender Stratocaster Fender American Deluxe Tele Rickenbacker 660-12 1967 Fender Super Reverb 1975 Marshall 50W w 4-12 cab Vox VT-120 w 4-12 cab Fender Hod Rod Deville w 2-12 Diezel Herbert Amp 180W Eden WT-800 Bass Amp and Cab Fender P-Bass Fender Bassman and 412 Cabinet DAW #1 Pro Tools HD3 Accel 48 in/24 out via Digi 192s MAC Dual 2GHz G5 DAW #2 Pro Tools LE 7.1 8 in/8 out via Digi 002 Control Surface MAC Dual 2GHz G5 ADDITIONAL RECORDERS Panasonic 3700 DAT Panasonic 3800 DAT Alesis Masterlink Sony DSR-30 DVCam Video Deck VIDEO MONITORS (2) Apple 23" Cinema Displays w/ boom arms Samsung LN46 A750 LCD Display Sony 14" Broadcast video monitor AUDIO MONITORING (2) Genelec 1031A (5) Genelec 8240A (1) Genelec 7270A Subwoofer Genelec GLM (5.1) (2) Yamaha NS-10s withYamaha P2200 Power Amp SOFTWARE Pro Tools 8 HD Toast Final Cut Celemony Melodyne Waves Platinum Auto-Tune Sound Toys Bundle Oxford Inflator I know...
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/04 17:54:18
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Wow Julien! That's one impressive list. I'm not talking about whatever was on it (I couldn't be arsed to read all of it), but that the forum software allowed you to put all those linefeeds in!
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/05 10:17:02
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Well Rain it doesn't look like that anymore. Something must be happening here because they say that a cluttered space means you are working, kind of like a house that looks "lived in". Here are a few I took last night. Dust is everywhere because we burn coal and I haven't had a chance to dust yet. The door you see is not used right now. Maybe one day I'll get more space. I want to get a second pair of monitors eventually. I don't want to invest in sound treatment because I might be moving it all, so for now ARC does ok with my MTH-50s.
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/05 10:49:35
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Tim, I have that same guitar (in Jonbouy's fav color) and I have that same printer.
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2013/04/05 10:52:10
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2013/04/05 16:03:59
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Pretty cool! Even if it isn't my palette, I think the colors create a great ambience. That's one of the things for which I'm trying to evaluate my options right now - creating the ambience in the room. I'm used to red - lots of it, but I don't know how it'd work here. And black. I'm still not sure how it'll go. I know what they say about clutter and I understand, but it just doesn't work for me. Heck, I'll tell you - my studio has always been the cleanest most well kept room anywhere where I lived. Even when I lived there 24/7, ate there, got drunk in there and slept there... It was kept impeccable. What I use on a regular basis needs its dedicated place. What I rarely use needs to be stored somewhere where I can easily find it. What I don't use... Well, I most likely got rid of that ages ago. I've always traveled lightly. And the goal is to streamline even more. For example, the new audio interface - while it won't take much more space than the one I'm using now, it will allow me to get rid of my little hardware mixer AND most probably my preamp.
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2013/04/05 16:53:46
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Julien - that's an impressive list indeed. Reminds me of a friend's studio in Brooklyn where we tracked some vocals last summer. You should have seen me putting my hands on a legendary Harrison 4032 board - same Bruce Swedien used... That being said, and, actually, as I was discussing w/ my wife yesterday... As impressive as the gear was (that session featured the single most expensive signal chain I have ever heard "live"), in terms of sound, I actually preferred a performance that was captured w/ a more modest set up. It was recorded in that suite in NY by the friend I mentioned in the first post - in a less than ideal room, w/ no vocal boot or soundproofing, using a Blueberry Mic in an Avalon tube pre/compressor. The room looked kind of like this - but w/ better gear. That's my own portable set up back then. But same room, windows all around, no sound treatment whatsoever... That recording helped me put things in perspective.
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/08 14:13:24
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Wow Rain, that's a very clean looking setup.I plan to eventually dust but I'm afraid it might change my acoustics ;)
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/08 14:43:01
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bapu I have that same guitar (in Jonbouy's fav color). 70's station wagon metallic blue. The choice of champions.
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2013/04/08 14:52:46
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Simulated Wood Paneling on the side? Tons of rust everywhere else? A hood that doesn't match (in both size and color)? A front end held together entirely with Bondo and duct tape? Optional floorboards? Gas tank held on with bailing wire, three toothpicks, and a pack of chewing gum? On second thought, I may have been thinking of a different choice.
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/08 17:14:32
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It's not all about gear. It's about inspiration and technique. Watch this video from a pro. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N45OAHDWakw (He shows Reason, but I bet you can do this in Sonar too (use buses a different way))
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2013/04/09 09:30:55
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If I was doing this on a professional level, and had my music on major artist CD's and in films and TV, I'd probably drop a larger cash wad on some more gear and into setting up a dedicated and treated room. It's pretty frustrating to see the studio's of some of the folks who are able to justify the expense and then return home to my own small dinky studio and my simple setup in the corner of a shared space. But, that is the reality of it for now. Having said that..... the quality of the music that can be produced in my small inexpensive corner of the room space is better than what many bands were producing just a few years ago. So I really don't worry about the investment and try not to compare it to what others may have. Trying to "keep up with the Jones" would drive me batty and broke.
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2013/04/09 10:33:58
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We all indulge - to the limit of our bank account. New toys are fun, exciting, etc. And that can help creativity. I've talked about the difference in sound quality w/ various professionals and many agree that most modern equipment is up to snuff - even the lower priced stuff. There is a real difference between high/low gear, but it isn't a deal breaker. Many of the front end stuff is used because the engineer knows a UAD will work on the bass, a Neve on vocals/guitar, a coles for a drum room mic, despite the musician and his/her gear. It is a matter of time. One guy who owns a local studio keeps changing his main vox mic. He has had all the majors - AKG 12, Sony 800 and more 47 clones than you can shake a snake at. He's got a manley now. I took my recently modded Oktava and a singer down there one evening and guess what? The Oktava held its own. Sure, the manley was richer and had the tube thing going but it wasn't $6000 worth of difference. Maybe someday.... A good studio is worth it, if you can afford it. But at home, no matter how humble, you can spend the time to get things to sound right. You are trading your time (hopefully doing something you like) against a small premium in actual sound but mostly for the engineer who can use his stuff to get a great sound quickly. But all that doesn't mean squat if the song sucks, and most of an "audience" won't be able to tell the difference listening to their earbuds on the subway anyway. @
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Re:I am disgusted...
2013/04/09 11:28:25
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AT We all indulge - to the limit of our bank account. If only it stopped there!
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