joden
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Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
I have a need to reinstall Sonar x2 but all the audio and data files and sample data etc, are installed to a separate drive... What are the recommendations for reinstalling JUST the Sonar program files and not deleting everything off the 2nd drive and starting again? Reason for the q is afaik, the sonar install routine ones not give the option for this.... Thanks
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/04 23:11:14
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what i typically do is install using defaults and set up symbolic links to the file paths where i move the data. if i ever need to reinstall i just unlink the locations and create the original directories. you could try installing to default paths and deleting the new install data and linking to your current location. might be worth a shot.
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/05 03:27:09
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Thanks - I will give that a try.
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/05 14:11:57
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Just uninstall Sonar and re-install it. do not install over the existing one. If your audio and samples on a separate hard drive, they are safe. I'm also sure you have back ups of all your audio anyways, so you are 123.69% safe. The uninstalling process does not touch your sample and audio (CWP projects) FYI: If you have any custom plugin folders or custom native plugin presets saved, you should move them into another folder and then move them back or just direct sonar to them after the install is done. CJ
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/05 14:59:16
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What I would like to know is can you do a fresh install and not have it unpack all the content that you already have on your system. In my case I have all my Dim Pro, Session Drummer, and RXP files on a different drive. If I ever have to reinstall is it possible to just install the vst stuff and not the content?
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joden
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/05 15:06:07
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Thanks CJ - yes, you are correct on all points I was more concerned with trying to minimise the Sonar install as all the samples, shared data, midi data audio projects etc etc etc, are ALL on drive 2. What I was hoping to achieve was is an installation of JUST the Sonar program itself...from the replies so far, seems this is not possible as it is a fixed install routine.. I think what I will do instead is set it all up, and then run an image for later (if necessary) re-installation, as the programs drive (probably like most here) also serves as the internet drive, games drive and just about anything else I can throw at it So it occasionally needs a BIG clean out, and in my experience no restore points, registry cleaners or other 3rd party "utilities" can do the job better than simply re-loading a disk image... I usually only image a standard W7 install with all updates - keeps it small, but yeah, maybe doing the install of Sonar and THEN an image might save this hassle....at least that way all the links from within the app are maintained, as are all the VST's that need authorisations/activations.. Thanks guys, you have really helped crystallise this for me Cheers
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/05 15:41:25
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emwhy What I would like to know is can you do a fresh install and not have it unpack all the content that you already have on your system. In my case I have all my Dim Pro, Session Drummer, and RXP files on a different drive. If I ever have to reinstall is it possible to just install the vst stuff and not the content? Yes, you can choose what is installed.
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/05 15:51:47
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Hmmmm, yes I think you are correct there BJ now that I think back on it...been a while since I did an install
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/05 18:18:29
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Not trying to hijack the thread but is there a comprehensive guide to uninstall... I would like to get rid of everything so I could get a "clean" install tia
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/05 22:26:02
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Not without some serious registry tweaking and manual removal of some folders  Cakewalk like so many Windows programs is not the best at totally removing everything...
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/05 22:57:19
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Yeah, I just uninstalled X1 a couple of hours ago and the registry was still riddled with Sonar stuff. I deleted as much as I figured was safe to remove, but I didn't remove everything. There were also several folders remaining that I deleted afterwards.
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/06 04:58:50
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meh Not trying to hijack the thread but is there a comprehensive guide to uninstall... I would like to get rid of everything so I could get a "clean" install tia http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2437932 just substitute X1 for X2
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/06 08:01:15
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here is the same thing Bristol just posted but with the correct command lines and some other info. back up your registry dude, it only takes one mistake and backing up your registry takes 2 minutes. besides, who doesn't want a good back of their registry :) For a clean installation of SONAR X2 please try the following: 1) Completely un-install SONAR from your computer. This is normally done from Start | Programs | Cakewalk. This will not remove any of your project files or audio data. 2) Next you will want to open the Run Command a) In Windows Vista and 7 this can be done by holding down the ‘windows’ key and pressing ‘r’ b) In Windows 8 this can be done by holding down the ‘windows’ key and pressing ‘r’ the typing in CMD in the message box/press enter 3) At the prompt type regedit and click OK. ***Backup your Registry before making edits - you do this by clicking the File menu, Export Registry File. 4) Now delete the following Registry keys: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\X2 *Please note that this will remove any effects presets and key bindings you may have made in Cakewalk. You can back these up separately if you like, using Options|Key Bindings, Tools|SONAR Plug-in Manager, and Options|Colors. Hit F1 in these views for detailed instructions on how to do this. *go to C/Cakewalk content/SONAR X2 Producer.(the SONAR X2 Producer folder has all your track templates, Cal scripts, project templetes, pro channel presets and other things you might want to look at before reinstalling incase you want to back those up 5) Open the 'Run' command again. 6) Copy and paste the following into the prompt: %appdata%\Cakewalk 7) This will open your Cakewalk Application Data folder, right-click on the SONAR folder and choose rename. 8) Rename this folder SONAR X2 Backup. 9) Open the 'Run' command again and type msconfig Click OK and then click on the Startup tab at the upper right of the window that opens. 10) Uncheck all items listed, click OK, then restart your computer. You can always recheck those items again at a later time. 11) Then reinstall SONAR. Make sure to have any virus scanners disabled on installation. It is not required or recommended to turn off any windows services.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/04/06 08:22:43
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Paul P
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/06 08:49:38
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Charlie : "9) Open the 'Run' command again and type msconfig Click OK and then click on the Startup tab at the upper right of the window that opens. 10) Uncheck all items listed, click OK, then restart your computer. You can always recheck those items again at a later time. " Why would this be necessary ? Sonar doesn't have any startup services on my system. What would be the point of removing any other service that the user usually runs at startup ?
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/06 10:12:36
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Paul P Charlie : "9) Open the 'Run' command again and type msconfig Click OK and then click on the Startup tab at the upper right of the window that opens. 10) Uncheck all items listed, click OK, then restart your computer. You can always recheck those items again at a later time. " Why would this be necessary ? Sonar doesn't have any startup services on my system. What would be the point of removing any other service that the user usually runs at startup ? that's a good question paul, if you write an email to cakewalk im sure they can answer all your questions. (these instructions are straight from tech support) but if you really desire to know, 1)let me explain how virus's work, some malicious software are linked to your windows start up. thus when booting the computer the virus starts automatically blocking you from installing any anti virus to remove the virus. thus blocking you from installing anything. 2) some anti virus such as Norton 360 is very difficult to just turn off, sure you can disable the all the shields but there is always a another hidden scan linked to start up(as I learned from spending an hour on the phone with Norton's Tech support) that's why you need to download the "power eraser" to remove Norton from your system therefor, following the instructions from cakewalk "Turn off your anti-virus". 3) there are a few other reasons as well http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=1862515
post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/04/06 10:20:09
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/06 14:10:43
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the whole uninstall/reinstall should take you about 20-30 minutes. good luck :)
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/06 16:28:44
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Paul P Charlie : "9) Open the 'Run' command again and type msconfig Click OK and then click on the Startup tab at the upper right of the window that opens. 10) Uncheck all items listed, click OK, then restart your computer. You can always recheck those items again at a later time. " Why would this be necessary ? Sonar doesn't have any startup services on my system. What would be the point of removing any other service that the user usually runs at startup ? just an fyi startup programs in windows 8 are now handled through the task manager.
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/06 16:37:06
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swamptooth Paul P Charlie : "9) Open the 'Run' command again and type msconfig Click OK and then click on the Startup tab at the upper right of the window that opens. 10) Uncheck all items listed, click OK, then restart your computer. You can always recheck those items again at a later time. " Why would this be necessary ? Sonar doesn't have any startup services on my system. What would be the point of removing any other service that the user usually runs at startup ? just an fyi startup programs in windows 8 are now handled through the task manager. its still the same as typing msconfig in CMD. just so I don't confuse this kid, "just stick to the 11 step instructions in my previous post.
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/06 16:40:06
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swamp, that is good to know though, and a lot easier than previous versions
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/06 17:35:46
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A well written installer/uninstaller will not leave as much crap as the Sonar programs are famous for doing. Most programs will be pretty well removed using the control panel. If you know you are going to install one of the less well-behaved progs, it is still useful to use and uninstaller application to monitor the installation. Those programs will create a database of what was installed and what registry settings were made, and automatically remove that stuff at a later date. Zsoft Uninstaller is freeware that does a good job if you tell it to monitor the installation. Other programs search for registry entries that call various parts of the installation (and hopefully nothing else) and remove them. They can work without actually monitoring the installation process, but are more prone to errors or incomplete removal. Revo Uninstaller free is able to do that and also monitored installation, and is also freeware. One advantage of this kind of program is that it can sometimes find pieces of a failed installation. The standard way of removing a failed installation is to re-install the program over itself and then using the developer's uninstaller to remove the whole thing. But if the failed installation is blocking the full re-installation a program like that can be a lifesaver. If you know what you are looking for, a manual registry search will do the job. Most of the Sonar keys have somewhat recognizable names, but without full documentation or a "remover" application from Cakewalk, we can't be absolutely sure that everything is gone. The system that has worked for users in the past is periodically posted to this forum, as the problem never seems to go away. The good news is that most of the time any leftover pieces will not corrupt the new installation.
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/06 19:29:42
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2 registry entries are not really that much,the other step is saving you presets. more than half of those steps are just basic steps like "open Command prompt" or "hold down windows key plus + R", exc. almost every program leaves behind traces in the registry. I wouldn't blame the installer. I do agree with you about uninstall software though, I use it for everything, I use ur uninstaller. though ive heard good things about revo.
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/06 21:27:17
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Personally I never use them....I am pretty cool with tweaking the registry, and once you learn the "usual suspects" for where this stuff gets left, it's pretty straightforward. btw Chuck, great tutorial for registry newbs too...bravo! Well written, and more importantly - correct!! Cheers
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/14 14:06:35
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joden Personally I never use them....I am pretty cool with tweaking the registry, and once you learn the "usual suspects" for where this stuff gets left, it's pretty straightforward. btw Chuck, great tutorial for registry newbs too...bravo! Well written, and more importantly - correct!! Cheers missed this, thank you joden. most of that is from cakewalks tech support, I just tweaked a few lines and explained the process of why start up services need to be disabled. thanks again for taking note :)
post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/04/14 18:12:11
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/14 14:44:10
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My concern with just recklessly removing all startup services is that someone not too aware of what they're doing could find themselves missing services and not know what or why. In the case of an antivirus service, I can agree with that one, but instructions could say to disable those. I've just experienced the situation where my Norton Internet Security will blatantly delete the "01_Read_This_First.exe" file of the X2 download as a dangerous file. I've had to set its properties to read only or else Norton just keeps deleting it. I'm mildly curious about who's at fault here.
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/14 17:34:08
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Norton 1000%
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Re:Tips for reinstalling when data on sep drive
2013/04/14 18:11:27
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Paul P My concern with just recklessly removing all startup services is that someone not too aware of what they're doing could find themselves missing services and not know what or why. In the case of an antivirus service, I can agree with that one, but instructions could say to disable those. I've just experienced the situation where my Norton Internet Security will blatantly delete the "01_Read_This_First.exe" file of the X2 download as a dangerous file. I've had to set its properties to read only or else Norton just keeps deleting it. I'm mildly curious about who's at fault here. its a dual sword paul. its either leave startup service on and chance the install going array or forgetting to turn some services back on. I did write up a new one though here http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2817470
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