leebut
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
- Total Posts : 138
- Joined: 2013/04/05 10:37:59
- Location: UK
- Status: offline
How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
Hello forum, I've been trying to paste room tone over gaps in my audio, but when I do, the underlying clip is still audible. I don't want dead silence as that is too much of a drop to the ears. This is what I did as a test (please excuse the mouse writing): I moved a copy of that left section on track 1 over track 2, but I can still hear it. I tried that bounce clips thing, but that didn't do anything. It was still a separate entity on the track. Thank you, Lee.
Sonar X3; Sonar X2a Essential; Music Creator 6 Windows 7 Professional (64-bit) ASUS M5A97 EVO R2; 8Gb DDR3 1866 Vengeance RAM; AMD FX 6300 CPU MOTU Microbook II
|
gcolbert
Max Output Level: -67 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1176
- Joined: 2010/11/13 18:34:06
- Location: Windsor Mill, MD
- Status: offline
Re:How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
2013/04/07 19:32:42
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
I'm having a hard time remembering what tools are available in MC6, but this looks like a good candidate for a technique called ducking. You might want to look in the techniques forum for how to set it up. It basically involves using a send from track 1 to drive a compressor against track 2. It automatically pushes down (ducks) the volume on track 2 when there is sound on track 1. Best thing is you don't have to mess with lots of cutting and pasting and track automation stuff and it sounds natural. Glen
|
leebut
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
- Total Posts : 138
- Joined: 2013/04/05 10:37:59
- Location: UK
- Status: offline
Re:How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
2013/04/07 20:30:40
(permalink)
Hello Glen, I'll check out ducking. It's mainly for voice-over work when clients don't want to hear breaths. When I was testing Reaper, I just copied a section of room tone, pasted it over and 'glued' the tracks together. Simple. Thank you for your suggestion. All the best, Lee.
Sonar X3; Sonar X2a Essential; Music Creator 6 Windows 7 Professional (64-bit) ASUS M5A97 EVO R2; 8Gb DDR3 1866 Vengeance RAM; AMD FX 6300 CPU MOTU Microbook II
|
Kalle Rantaaho
Max Output Level: -5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7005
- Joined: 2006/01/09 13:07:59
- Location: Finland
- Status: offline
Re:How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
2013/04/08 05:54:26
(permalink)
☄ Helpful
AFAIK ducking is the same as sidechain compression. It automatically compresses the "base track" when there's audio in the overdub track. I can't see how it could be used for silencing breath noises, which sounds more like a gating thing. Naturally, you can simply paste the room noise on the track. Whether the underlying clip remains audible or not, depends on your record settings, you choose either "Overwrite", "Blend old and new" or "Move over to make room".
SONAR PE 8.5.3, Asus P5B, 2,4 Ghz Dual Core, 4 Gb RAM, GF 7300, EMU 1820, Bluetube Pre - Kontakt4, Ozone, Addictive Drums, PSP Mixpack2, Melda Creative Pack, Melodyne Plugin etc. The benefit of being a middle aged amateur is the low number of years of frustration ahead of you.
|
leebut
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
- Total Posts : 138
- Joined: 2013/04/05 10:37:59
- Location: UK
- Status: offline
Re:How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
2013/04/08 06:47:20
(permalink)
Kalle Rantaaho AFAIK ducking is the same as sidechain compression. It automatically compresses the "base track" when there's audio in the overdub track. I can't see how it could be used for silencing breath noises, which sounds more like a gating thing. Naturally, you can simply paste the room noise on the track. Whether the underlying clip remains audible or not, depends on your record settings, you choose either "Overwrite", "Blend old and new" or "Move over to make room". Hello Kalle, Thank you for the information. I'll try those options. All the best, Lee.
Sonar X3; Sonar X2a Essential; Music Creator 6 Windows 7 Professional (64-bit) ASUS M5A97 EVO R2; 8Gb DDR3 1866 Vengeance RAM; AMD FX 6300 CPU MOTU Microbook II
|
Guitarhacker
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 24398
- Joined: 2007/12/07 12:51:18
- Location: NC
- Status: offline
Re:How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
2013/04/08 09:05:26
(permalink)
leebut Hello forum, I've been trying to paste room tone over gaps in my audio, but when I do, the underlying clip is still audible. I don't want dead silence as that is too much of a drop to the ears. This is what I did as a test (please excuse the mouse writing): I moved a copy of that left section on track 1 over track 2, but I can still hear it. I tried that bounce clips thing, but that didn't do anything. It was still a separate entity on the track. Thank you, Lee. Not quite sure what you mean but I'll guess. Looks like the blue track has a gap that needs to be filled. so you can do several things. simply copy the blue (record 1 busy) clip and paste it into the hole....or insert a new track and paste it into that track. this way the ambient sound of the room is there. I would try to trim it to the exact start and end point on the timeline for the gap since overlap may show up as slightly louder room sound/noise. Editing must be exact so it avoids a click or artifact of editing. Cross fading with envelopes and let the clips overlap a bit is probably the best way to keep it seamless. A better solution would be to use envelopes. In the blue track use the envelope to keep the volume at ZERO (all the way down) so you have total silence. unless the room noise is absolutely critical. If you are trying to have silence or just room noise and the "underlying audio" in the pink track is sounding through..... you can use envelopes in the pink track to control it's level in the mix as well. When I work, I DO NOT use the layering capability of the DAW to have multiple clips in a track in the same place at the same time. Since the DAW can easily handle many tracks, I prefer to have each clip in it's own track. Easier to deal with and control. If you have two clips in the same place, simply add/insert a new audio track and drag one of the clips into the new track.
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
|
Beagle
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 50621
- Joined: 2006/03/29 11:03:12
- Location: Fort Worth, TX
- Status: offline
Re:How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
2013/04/08 13:36:14
(permalink)
I think we just had this discussion in another thread. I am pretty sure that "ducking" AKA "sidechaining" is not an available feature in MC.
|
Kalle Rantaaho
Max Output Level: -5 dBFS
- Total Posts : 7005
- Joined: 2006/01/09 13:07:59
- Location: Finland
- Status: offline
Re:How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
2013/04/08 15:17:50
(permalink)
Guitarhacker, I understood it so, that the grey clip with writing on it contains the ambience noise, and the problem is that the audio clip under it remains audible. That's why I suggested checking record options. I'm not saying I've understood correctly.
SONAR PE 8.5.3, Asus P5B, 2,4 Ghz Dual Core, 4 Gb RAM, GF 7300, EMU 1820, Bluetube Pre - Kontakt4, Ozone, Addictive Drums, PSP Mixpack2, Melda Creative Pack, Melodyne Plugin etc. The benefit of being a middle aged amateur is the low number of years of frustration ahead of you.
|
leebut
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
- Total Posts : 138
- Joined: 2013/04/05 10:37:59
- Location: UK
- Status: offline
Re:How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
2013/04/08 16:36:39
(permalink)
Kalle Rantaaho Guitarhacker, I understood it so, that the grey clip with writing on it contains the ambience noise, and the problem is that the audio clip under it remains audible. That's why I suggested checking record options. I'm not saying I've understood correctly. Yes Kalle, you are correct. The grey clip on track 2 (pink) has been copied from track 1 (blue), the idea being that the content of track 1 will mask track 2's audio. I should have perhaps dragged it into a gap in track 2 to make it more clear. E-mail notifications of posts are not working. Thanks again, Lee.
Sonar X3; Sonar X2a Essential; Music Creator 6 Windows 7 Professional (64-bit) ASUS M5A97 EVO R2; 8Gb DDR3 1866 Vengeance RAM; AMD FX 6300 CPU MOTU Microbook II
|
Guitarhacker
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 24398
- Joined: 2007/12/07 12:51:18
- Location: NC
- Status: offline
Re:How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
2013/04/09 08:49:08
(permalink)
dragging a clip of low level ambient noise over a clip of something else louder will not solve the issue. The louder stuff will sound through. You must do as I pointed out. use envelopes and put the ambient noise into a new track. pull the stuff down that you don't want to hear. With multi track capability, it doesn't matter how many tracks are used to accomplish something. Just be sure to have the same FX in the tracks or run the tracks into a buss with the FX so they all sound the same. Example: In my song The Best Christmas, I have 4 slightly different leads playing in 4 different tracks. Using envelopes, I pick and choose the parts of each track I want and send them all to a buss with the FX. Listening to the song you can not tell it was 4 different tracks. I zoom in to make the edits surgical in nature. In the pic below, I did the same thing with 3 piano tracks to get the fills I liked best. I don't use the layers in the tracks, I prefer using as many tracks as is needed.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2013/04/09 08:50:58
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
|
leebut
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
- Total Posts : 138
- Joined: 2013/04/05 10:37:59
- Location: UK
- Status: offline
Re:How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
2013/04/09 10:07:58
(permalink)
Hello Guitarhacker, Thank you for your continued support. I welcome all suggestions. People work in different ways, and use what's best for them. I must say though, using the envelopes does seem to be an easy and less destructive way that copying and pasting.
Sonar X3; Sonar X2a Essential; Music Creator 6 Windows 7 Professional (64-bit) ASUS M5A97 EVO R2; 8Gb DDR3 1866 Vengeance RAM; AMD FX 6300 CPU MOTU Microbook II
|
Guitarhacker
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 24398
- Joined: 2007/12/07 12:51:18
- Location: NC
- Status: offline
Re:How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
2013/04/09 17:00:22
(permalink)
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
|
Tap
Max Output Level: -30 dBFS
- Total Posts : 4536
- Joined: 2008/10/09 11:55:30
- Location: Newburyport, MA
- Status: offline
Re:How can I paste a masking clip over another clip?
2013/04/17 21:50:52
(permalink)
I believe I would have solved this problem the same way Herb suggested - with a volume envelope. Cutting it out would work provided that the signals you wanted ( (the uncut sections) remain exactly where they are. Using a side chain compression to duck a second Track is very effective when you have many instances where you need many and more instantaneous muting of a Track.
MC4 - M-Audio FW410 / Behringer UCA202 - Fender Strat / Jazzmaster / DuoSonic / Washburn / Peavy Foundation M-Audio Radium 49 Roland Juno 106 / JazzChorus / Seymore Duncan Convertible - HP A1230N ( AMD Athalon 3800+ 2G Ram + 200G HD ) http://soundclick.com/cut2thechaise
|