Exporting and Burning Audio

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2013/04/20 18:18:13 (permalink)

Exporting and Burning Audio

Wassup Cake Fam!!!  Ya boy is having a small problem.  I've got my final mix together for my project.  I've imported my 16 stereo tracks each on separate tracks into a project for mastering the entire project for audio cd burning.  My problem is getting all 16 tracks to export and keep their original time length.  I can get all 16 to export to the audio Cd Burner screen, but all tracks are the same length, and that's not how I made them.  In my project, drag the gray bar across the number line to the length of the longest track>I click on each track so that they are highlighted>file>export audio>select track in source category, 16 bit depth 44100 sample rate, and all tracks will appear after export in Audio CD Burner.
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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/04/20 18:43:17 (permalink)
    The export will be the selected range. Therefore, if your tracks are on separate clips, click the clip before exporting. Then you will only export the exact length of that clip. It also only exports selected tracks.

    Keep in mind where the track is routed. Sometimes, people bounce a track through a master bus with a bunch of fx on it. Then they export the new track. If the new track defaults to the master bus then the track will route through all those fx again. So, instead, route the track direct to your interface so that no additional fx are applied.

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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/04/20 22:15:43 (permalink)
    I assume all 16 tracks are separate songs right? 

    If you burn them to a CD that way, you will get a CD with one track that contains all 16 tracks as one song playing over each other. Not good. 

    What you should do is once you've mastered the tracks, then you need to export each of the tracks to a separate WAV file. When you export the files, select Tracks as the Source Category and it will create a separate WAV file for each track. Then open Sonar and select Utilities-Burn to CD. Then add the 16 WAV files using the ADD button and selecting the files from the folders you saved them to. (You can select multiple files by holding down CTRL while selecting the WAV files. Then make sure you have them in the order you want them and click Burn to CD. Then you should get a CD with 16 separate songs. 


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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/04/21 07:54:21 (permalink)
    you must render (export) each one first to a file by clicking once on the CLIP so the length is correct.  then use the burner selecting the ecported tracks from wherever you exported them (folder).
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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/04/21 07:56:12 (permalink)
    you have to do them one at a time to acheive different lengths.  click each clip and export
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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/04/21 14:35:37 (permalink)
    To do what you want, you would need a program like Sound forge or another audio editing program.

    You cant export different tracks separately while keeping their own length in Sonar. Its not built for that. A sonar project is one project and the tracks in the project are part of that project. di I explain that right?

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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/04/21 15:00:29 (permalink)
    Thanks a mill for the input...so it sounds like I cant export all 16 songs from diff tracks simultaneously.   I guess I have to export each track separately after I move the gray shaded line to length of that particular track, while having that track highlighted by clicking on the track number, one by one?
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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/04/21 15:05:05 (permalink)
    Also, if Sonar isn't the program to master in this way, are there any other suggestions like Sound Forge for example that is great for mastering audio?
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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/04/21 15:14:38 (permalink)
    click the clip itself to select exactly the length of the clip (right hand side of the track view window).

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/04/21 17:17:09 (permalink)
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    click the clip itself to select exactly the length of the clip (right hand side of the track view window).


    That doesn't work when your trying to export all 16 tracks at one time, like the poster wants to do.

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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/04/21 22:24:06 (permalink)
    so it sounds like I cant export all 16 songs from diff tracks simultaneously.



    You obviously didn't read my post. 

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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/05/02 00:50:27 (permalink)
    Just checking in folks.  I have discovered a way to export all tracks with their respective song lengths all at once.  Insert buses for every track if you want to apply effects on the bus.  Route all your tracks to their buses, if not you are only going to export the settings in the pro channel and not the master bus settings. Have all tracks lined up starting a zero.  Extend the shaded gray movable thingy along the ruler to the length of the longest track. Double click on the longest track, which makes the loop view appear at the bottom.  Click export audio, then in the source select bus is exporting buses or just tracks if your not exporting buses.  You should see all your individual buses or tracks in the box underneath the source.  Choose 16 bit for CD and there you have it!  I have exported all tracks at one shot while maintaining their respective time lengths!!
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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/05/02 10:11:32 (permalink)
    Seems like extra trouble to me, and the end result is going to be a CD album with generic 2-second gaps between songs. You really want to be able to adjust those gaps for best continuity, e.g. setting a gap equal to one measure of the previous song. You may even want to blend the ending of one song into the start of the next song with no gap at all, a technique that works well if the adjacent songs are in compatible keys.

    Here's an alternate method. First, export each song to 32-bit wave files, each mastered in their original projects. Like you, I load these into a fresh project for mastering (be sure to un-check the "copy files to audio folder" option). I arrange them on a single track, in the order they'll appear on the CD, adjusting the gaps between each song the way I want to hear them. If necessary, use a volume envelope to make small adjustments so they're all at compatible levels to one another. Since they're already mastered, they'll all be pretty close already.

    Throw a HPF onto the track to filter out subsonics. Now you're ready to export the whole CD project as one big 16-bit file. After exporting, I like to pull up the master file in Windows Media Player, sit back and listen to the whole thing, or at least the transitions between songs. In this way you can audition the CD exactly as it will sound when finished and burned, but without actually burning a disk.

    Because all the songs are in one large file, you'll use your CD-burning software to indicate where each one starts. When you burn a CD, it's always one big file even if you started with 16 individual wave files - that's just how CDs work. The "tracks" on a CD are an illusion; what the CD really has is one data file and a separate list of time offsets for each song. All CD-burning applications (except SONAR) allow you insert those indexes before burning, and to save them for future re-use as you go through multiple test iterations.

    I think you'll find that this method is a little faster than exporting each song separately, with the added advantage of giving you more creative flexibility in sequencing your album.




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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/05/02 14:59:11 (permalink)
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    Also, if Sonar isn't the program to master in this way, are there any other suggestions like Sound Forge for example that is great for mastering audio?
    Cake's Pyro Audio Creator is useable.
    I hate to be "that guy"...but since he asked. Studio One is really good for mastering, assembling songs, and burning them onto CD. Although I only use it for mastering, it's evidently a good DAW too. There is also Wavelab, Sony SoundForge, and several others..
     
    I'm a total Sonar fanboy though for song recording.

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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/05/02 23:47:14 (permalink)
    Good wisdom everyone, think I'll try to burn everything as one large 32 bit file...I just need some audio burning software that will allow editing for  the burning process!  Which audio software will be the easiest to work with?  I'm not into trends or the latest and greatest, however, I do wish to be able to breeze through this task of mastering without the more technical headaches...it's tough enough just getting a good mix, then getting thru the final editing touches, then the 50 cd pack i've went thru from trial and error to get my songs sounding half way good...Im just a lil frustrated and ready to go with a final master as quickly as possibe. 
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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/05/03 09:22:52 (permalink)
    Only 50 CDs wasted so far? I literally went through 300 of them before I finally figured out what I was doing!  Hang in there. If it was easy, everybody would be doing it.


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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/05/03 09:41:06 (permalink)
    CD Architect is the standard for creating audio CDs.

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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/05/06 20:41:30 (permalink)
    Cool, thanks for all the info.  People can say what they want bout Sonar, but all my friends who use Pro tools dont have half the features we enjoy!  At least Sonar can export all wav files at once, maybe not the solution for my purpose, but at least i can get this far.  Ima check out all the audio solutions everybody suggested to see which joint ima go with! 
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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/05/06 20:49:11 (permalink)
    P.S.  I might've under estimated number of cd's I've gone through.  I've prolly gone through at least 150 CD's!
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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/05/06 23:55:56 (permalink)
    Now you know why they sell them in packs of 100.


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    Re:Exporting and Burning Audio 2013/05/07 11:16:07 (permalink)
    These days I avoid the CD part until all is 100% proofed. It all goes on a USB stick now. Almost all playback devices have a USB port. 
    USB sticks seem to play songs in the order they were imported. 
    But I am in the habit of adding the track numbers before the title now. 

    01-Mud on the Ceiling
    02-Toe Jam 

    I use Wave Lab to master, Nero to burn. 

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