RishiS
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Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
Hi , The laptop vs desktop topic is not new to this forum but is worth reconsidering with the passage of time. I am planning on a upgrade from a 5 yr old dual core running X1 to something that can take more load..esp scoring for videos. I need some suggestion on whether to go for a laptop or a desktop and comments on the configuration that is in my mind. Also is it time to move on to windows 8 or it too early ? Windows 7 or 8 ? Intel i5 with 8GB RAM ( what is the limit on windows 7 vs 8) 500GB HDD (with additional external drive) Already have a dual monitor so will continue using that one. Sonar X1. I typically work on medium sized projects with around 10 instrument tracks and 3 to 5 vocal tracks. I have started scoring for short videos ( 30sec to 30min) and my dual core is not able to take the load (3gb RAM). This forum has always helped me make decisions. Thanks in advance !! Rishi
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/03 10:20:42
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Desktop all the way. Load it up with RAM (1600Mhz DDR3) and get a FAST 4-6 Core 8-12-thread CPU. If you want 5 years of work out of it, this is the best option. Even the fastest of laptops are still under-clocked to keep them cool. I use a 2012 Mac for some things, and it does "OK", but it's buss is still too slow for my needs. MAC OS is good at Multi-tasking, but when it chokes, it chokes hard on a laptop. Laptops aren't engineered for Professional DAW or Video work. That's not their primary target. Mac Pro desktop is, however. Windows 7 64-Bit is my recommendation for Windows. I'm not confident in Windows 8 yet.
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/03 10:32:26
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Desktop is still the best platform. As Brian sez load it up - disk drives and memory is cheap (I usually transfer old HDs to the new computer if possible, saving more money). I haven't moved to windows 8 yet. No touchscreen, no need. But from posts here and elsewhere 8 is almost there. Drivers are still a problem and one usually shouldn't upgrade until the first fix comes out. On the other hand, if you start w/ 8 you won't suffer any glitches if you put it over 7 and won't have to reload all your software w/ a new install. @
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/03 11:07:05
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I'm using a desk top running Windows 8 x64. All of my hardware is working fine. My Frontier Design transport is working under comparability mode. I don't notice a major improvement in performance vs. Windows 7. I really did the update because I wanted the touch capability and the intro offer on 8 was cheap. Some people hate the Metro start screen. I love it. If your not planning on going mobile, I would recommend a desktop over a laptop. I build my own PCs. When I feel like upgrading I can often reuse the case, the power supply, the video card, the memory. It may be a matter of just a motherboard and processor swap or adding another drive.
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/03 11:30:42
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+1 on upgrades. I have a D/A interface that's well over 10 years old. It's still rock solid. I also have a video card over 6 years old. I can honestly say that being able to upgrade hardware over time is priceless. Plus, I fried my CPU recently (my own stupidity, albeit), and only needed to replace that device, not the whole unit. That's beneficial. RAM upgrades are profound in comparison. You can't get near the RAM in a laptop that you can in a desktop of the same year's build. Add additional hard-drives? No problem. The case and SATA ports I have now allow me to load up to 6 additional hard drives in my case. Anyway, there's tons of benefits. The only drawback that I'm aware of is that you can't sit on a bus, plane, or train and do editing in a session. I do that occasionally on a laptop, but rarely do I take a bus or train anywhere, and flying has been reduced for me. Mobile tracking is great, too, but I don't mind packing my desktop and a small monitor to do that. I have road cases.
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Living Room Rocker
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/03 12:05:15
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I agree that a desktop is best, simply because you can easily upgrade components with the larger and faster chips, etc. However, laptops have come a long way and in recent years have much greater capability. I currently have an ASUS G55VW laptop (i7 3930QM CPU with thunderbolt and Win8) and loaded it with 16Gb RAM and three SSD drives (one is an mSATA and another in place of the optical drive). This laptop kicks ass and is completely operational/capable and portable (without need for external drives). The big plus is having the thunderbolt ("TB") port for even more peripherals with the highest transfer rate available (i.e., hard drives). Also, TB is compatible with USB, and firewire (solving the dilemma of finding a FW equipped laptop) and capable of driving two external video monitors with an audio interface and other peripherals running simultaneously. There is a larger laptop from ASUS, the G75VX which is a 17+" and is even easier to upgrade than the G55. For your needs, either laptop will serve you well. Having a smaller footprint than a desktop and portability, it's worth checking out. Kind regards, Living Room Rocker
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/03 12:59:13
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I have a desktop loaded with memory and a fast processor, running Windows 8 64-bit. It ROCKS. You MUST do your homework on drivers for whatever audio interface you plan to use with whatever computer you plan to pick up, as some interfaces definitely do NOT have drivers for Windows 8, and some do not even have them for Windows 7. You must also check that the drivers cover 64-bit too. If your interface is using USB 2.0, then you will most likely want to make sure you have one or more USB 2.0 ports on the new computer, as some interfaces freak out when they are plugged into a USB 3.0 port. Other than the above considerations, both Windows 7 and Windows 8 are FABULOUS for running Sonar. Windows 8 has been quite stable for me, and Win 7 was as well. There IS a bit of a learning curve if you move to Windows 8, but it is really no big deal, although some folks meltdown dealing with the Metro UI. I actually like Windows 8 a lot now. Good luck - get lots of memory and a fast processor and pick up at least 2 drives if you can, to split the OS and programs from projects and samples, and if a 3rd drive is available split the projects from the samples as well. You might want to also pick up a USB 3.0 external drive for backups too. Bob Bone
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/03 13:20:51
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I dunno guys. I think time and tech has progressed to where a well-spec'ed laptop is just fine. A quad core i7 with 8gb of RAM and an SSD will perform every bit as good as a similarly spec'ed desktop from 2ish years ago. I have an 8-core, 12GB, SSD desktop and a 4-core, 8GB, SSD laptop and the laptop can run every project just fine, but the screen is cramped. I'm considering migrating to a slightly beefier laptop with a 1080p screen.
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/03 13:51:25
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I swore of the laptop advantages until I learned the word upgrading ment buying a whole new computer when it comes to laptops.
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/03 13:59:47
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BCnSTL I dunno guys. I think time and tech has progressed to where a well-spec'ed laptop is just fine. A quad core i7 with 8gb of RAM and an SSD will perform every bit as good as a similarly spec'ed desktop from 2ish years ago. I have an 8-core, 12GB, SSD desktop and a 4-core, 8GB, SSD laptop and the laptop can run every project just fine, but the screen is cramped. I'm considering migrating to a slightly beefier laptop with a 1080p screen. yes, I have no disagreement on comparing performance. laps have come a long way. its more about portability. more important its about upgrades and monitors. most laptops only support 2 screens,the one on the laptop and an external, using the built in vga port. I use 3 monitors, on a laptop youd need a docking station which needs its own independent port hub. most peeps buy a computer and then down the road, even 3 or 4 years down the road look at upgrading it, parts of it. a laptop...your very limited. but as far as making a good computerin a small folding box. laptops are great now a day with great performance.
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/03 15:03:34
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BCnSTL I dunno guys. I think time and tech has progressed to where a well-spec'ed laptop is just fine. A quad core i7 with 8gb of RAM and an SSD will perform every bit as good as a similarly spec'ed desktop from 2ish years ago. I have an 8-core, 12GB, SSD desktop and a 4-core, 8GB, SSD laptop and the laptop can run every project just fine, but the screen is cramped. I'm considering migrating to a slightly beefier laptop with a 1080p screen. I certainly agree with you that laptops would run it just fine. I am not sure what the original poster's plans are for mobility and such. There are certainly laptops that would fit the bill. My own thoughts are that you get more bang for the buck with a desktop, but that's just me. Bob Bone
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/03 15:20:22
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Desktop the most flexible, Laptop for portability. Laptop experience has been good: Sager NP9170 (it has FirewWire) The biggest problem with laptops is circuit board noise. There are probably noise suppressors you can insert before the main outs that can help with that. (if anyone knows, please post a link)
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/03 23:14:06
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1) +1 on Laptop with X2 ... for MIXING ... except for using UAD plugins (you'll have to suffer without them :):):) ) The lappy must have similar specs as a desktop replacement. 2) Unfortunately, the lappy is no substitute for a desktop ... for RECORDING. For recording, you'll need a desktop or lappy that can handle cumbersome pre-s, racks, MIDIs, UAD, and/or sensitive condensor mics. The sound-interface for outboard equipment is just 'not-so-portable' for the lappy ... no fun to plug in everything to a lappy-interface, IMHO. 3) Ideally, a lappy with a GREAT docking station, or a desktop + lappy ... the lappy to take with you 'on-the-road' (as I do) ... with more modest gear.
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RishiS
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/04 05:18:13
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Thanks to everyone for the insights ! Looks like the majority is for desktops unless I need mobility. I am currently keen on just getting my studio upgraded so I would park the lanks to everyone for the insights ! Looks like the majority is for desktops unless I need mobility. I am currently keen on just getting my studio upgraded so I would park the laptop option for the time being and also go for Windows 7, given the mixed reviews on Windows 8. I missed out to mention that I use an Echo Gina audio interface.
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/04 10:58:26
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You get far more bang for the buck with a fast desktop than a laptop. To get a laptop that's truly on-par with the fastest available desktops, you're looking at $3000+. If you travel a lot via plane, go with a laptop. Otherwise, desktop all the way...
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/04 16:40:20
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I've got an old laptop I decided to load a few old DAWs on to "play around" with the portability. I was thinking with LiveLite, I could use it like a hardware workstation..... like my Fantom-S, or my MV-8800. However, it's a pain in the ass. It's an old Dell630 core 2 duo if that tells you anything. But without my audio interface, I'm left with ASIO4all with the built in soundcard. Playback is fine, I don't load it up with many instruments or audio tracks, less than 10 total. But recording audio through the mic input is a no go. Then if I recorded a few audio tracks whilst at my normal work area, with the interface, monitors, & my other gear, then try to add midi without all that, I have to go in & change the audio interface settings & all that every time... major PITA. I know a lot of people do it, just don't know how.
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lawajava
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/04 19:55:46
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Depends on where and when you want to work on music, and budget I suppose. In my case, I've wanted to work on music as often as possible in whatever place I happen to be sitting. I moved from a desktop to a laptop, a good laptop, and I've found I've been able to put in a lot more time on the music and I've made a lot more progress.
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/04 20:17:00
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I have been laptop based for quite a few years now, wouldn't go back. Windows 8 is great. - Shawn
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/04 20:36:32
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I've known people who choose a laptop over a desktop for the misguided reason that it's smaller and therefore less intrusive. But on a desk surface connected to peripherals, this factor becomes irrelevant. The only positive feature of a laptop is its portability. Everything else about it a negative.
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/04 21:21:02
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Laptop if you need portability & a nice USB audio interface box
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/04 22:52:05
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I'd recommend a desktop system with Intel 4-6 cores with 8-12 threads. Outfit it with 8GB+ of high speed RAM, and fast drives for audio work: A combination of HDD and SSD. For mobile work, a laptop with a Intel Core i7, 8GB+ of RAM, and internal SSD - 512GB minimum. I'd go with W8Pro x64. No problems to report with Microsoft's new OS.
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/05 12:25:01
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i have been using a windows laptop for a while because of portability. im interested in getting ubuntu studio working with my fireface ucx in class compliant mode. so far, i dont have it working. i think it will work though. then, i take my removBle drive anywhere with the firface, use any nearby handy pc.. think my work laptop.. and make a field recording. im hoping to buy a serious desktop pc for home use in november.
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/05 18:09:19
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shawn, I'm with you. I wouldn't go back to a desktop. For pros that live in a studio I can totally see the reasons for a desktop. For a home studio guy, like myself, the freedom of being able to attach to the gear in my studio setup just like a desktop, or to be able to detach and sit anywhere else to edit and/or record stuff is just too convenient. I wouldn't want to give up the flexibility of a laptop now that I have it since I can do absolutely everything on it. I get more done with it than a desktop.
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Re:Laptop vs Desktop , Windows 7 vs 8
2013/05/05 22:11:14
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The great thing about Sonar is you can have both :-)
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