raise the level of automation curve?

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2013/05/06 11:59:24 (permalink)

raise the level of automation curve?

HI - Is there a way to raise the level of a clip that has automation without disrupting the contour of the curve? Thanks!

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/06 13:54:19 (permalink)
    I don't use a curve with lots of nodes in it. I opt to make linear envelope movements. Although it is possible to use a curve between 2 nodes.... I like the linear straight lines. Generally my lines are short fades so a curve is not needed. 

    Of course you know you can grab between two nodes and move the level up or down, IDK, but with a multi-node envelope such as a written fader move, I'm thinking you might be able to lasso a number of nodes and move them as a group.... I would need to look that up though since I tend to have precise surgical envelope edits as seen below. I enter all my nodes manually. 





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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/06 14:07:01 (permalink)
    From the manual p.488

    "To raise/lower selected envelope nodes

    1. Set the track’s Edit Filter control to the desired automation parameter (Track Automation or Clip Automation).
    2. Do one of the following:

    • With the Smart tool, position the pointer near the top center of the track/clip, then drag up/down.

    • With the Edit tool, position the pointer near the top center of the track/clip, then drag up/down.




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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/06 15:54:06 (permalink)
    maybe not the best option, but I automate tracks and then send them to a bus so if I need to adjust overall volume I can, however this only works with volume.

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/06 17:01:13 (permalink)
    Thanks for yr replies!

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/06 17:06:52 (permalink)
    You can always apply a clip gain envelope. Note that this is may be impractical if there is a compressor in the track fx bin, as the clip gain is applied pre-fx and will affect the compressor's sensitivity.

    I am more likely to simply grab all the automation nodes and move them up or down as a group. 


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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/06 21:41:39 (permalink)
    bitflipper - thanks for reminding of the sequence. I use clip automation a lot, so that's a good reminder.

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/07 00:06:28 (permalink)
    Another comment on clip gain envelopes while I'm at it: if you use automation for de-essing and taming resonances and such, be sure to use a clip gain envelope rather than a track volume envelope. It'll make your compressor work less hard, allowing gentler ratios on your vocal tracks.

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/07 08:25:18 (permalink)
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this a perfect instance where offset mode is actually useful?

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/07 09:24:24 (permalink)
    Do you mean you'd like to raise the entire envelope? If so, while editing automation, hover your mouse near the top of the clip. It will turn into a horizontal I with two arrows pointing up/down. Then click/drag up/down to raise/lower the entire envelope.

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/07 13:46:38 (permalink)
    Scott, For clarity, are you saying that if you hover near the top of an audio clip, you can drag the volume automation for the whole track?
     
    I frequently have the need to keep the curves but bring the whole track up or down—example: converting working mix to final mix—and I find Offset Mode extremely confusing and unpredictable.

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/07 14:14:48 (permalink)
    Wow lots of ideas. Yes i meant raise the level of the entire clip, maintaining the ups & downs of the automation curve.

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/07 14:22:20 (permalink)
    I was trying to figure out how to do this the other day (change the level of an entire envelope). Any chance somebody can post a picture of the mouse pointer shape so I know what to look for? Thanks,

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/07 15:14:03 (permalink)
    This is hugely exaggerated and on the wrong colour background, but you should get the general idea:




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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/07 17:07:53 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info. This looks like the same shape I use when I select a time region and pull down the volume envelope for the selected area. Does this mean if you don't have anything selected, it applies to the whole envelope? Or do you have to select it first? (Just thinking out loud ... I'll have to try it tonight.)

    BTW I found some good info on envelope editing here and a nice summary of mouse pointer shapes here

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/07 17:19:38 (permalink)
    I know some people don't care for it, but I find Offset Mode to be the simplest way to make an overall change to a control that already has automation assigned.   Type "O", see a "+" added to the control, make your change, then type "O" again.     Easy peasy.   YMMV and all that.  

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/07 17:55:22 (permalink)
    I second that notion.  That's what offset mode is all about.  Much easier than trying to make that smart tool change shapes.
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    I know some people don't care for it, but I find Offset Mode to be the simplest way to make an overall change to a control that already has automation assigned.   Type "O", see a "+" added to the control, make your change, then type "O" again.     Easy peasy.   YMMV and all that.  




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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/07 18:19:33 (permalink)
    Much easier than trying to make that smart tool change shapes.

     
    Hehehe...  yup.  
     
    I do frequently use the "hover over the top" technique to modify envelopes after selecting ranges, because I usually (but not always) find it easier than manually adding nodes.   But for overall changes I prefer to use something simpler that requires no manual dexterity or accuracy.  

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    Re:raise the level of automation curve? 2013/05/07 21:36:50 (permalink)
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    Scott, For clarity, are you saying that if you hover near the top of an audio clip, you can drag the volume automation for the whole track? 
    Hey Konrad... yes, exactly. It allows you to raise/lower the entire envelope.


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