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My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!!

First off, let me tell you that whoever is reading this Sonar x2 is so infuriating to get working, its to the point of inferior.  Who sends these products out with all these bugs, and why can't I find tutorials for specific questions I have?  Come on cakewalk, your tutorials are so general!!!  Im a composer, and I just had an 1 hour and half movie to score, and I had nothing but crashes! I have a 6 core processor, 4 hard drives in a raid, memory is not a problem.  When I import the video it gets unworkably slow and freezes all the time.  I can't add eq, I can't add tracks, nothing because its constantly crashing.  I tried a test with a 1 minute video I had, same thing.  I tried disabling my antivirus to free memory, same thing!  I have clients that are expecting due dates for these things, and have been a loyal customer since cakewalk pro audio 9.  But come on, at least make sonar useable for composers that do films and score movies and work with large video files, not just people that put loops together for a 3 minute song.  
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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/13 04:50:26 (permalink)

i have not used Sonar for video work however, i believe this may have something to do with the formats going into Sonar. The thing to note is that Sonar is not a native video editor.

first thing to note is the format going into Sonar:
1.     use and external video encoder to export your video to either NTSC or PAL 
2.     during the export set the formats to the following:
     a.     NTSC - DV 720 x 480 (frame rate 29.97)

     b.     PAL - DV 720 x 576 (frame rate 25)

3.     depending on the aspect ratios; set them accordingly to either letterbox or widescreen
4.     ensure the audio output is the same as what you would set in Sonar for new projects (very impt)
     a.     if your Sonar is set at 48kHz 24 bit - do the same for the audio settings for the video export

5.     save the particular video format as AVI - well because Sonar only reads AVI
6.     when done, you should have a single AVI file in your Explorer Browser
7.     open up Sonar - create a new project
8.     before importing in anything goto Preferences to set the playback frame rate to sync with your video file.
9.     all should be well


hope it helps...
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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/13 07:54:31 (permalink)
You can't edit video in Sonar, only audio. 

Do you have the latest update, i.e., X2A?

What soundcard? Are you using 64 bit Sonar and 64 bit Windows? If its crashing, its probably either your soundcard drivers or an issue with your computer. X2 rarely crashes on my computer. 

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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/13 08:29:51 (permalink)
Without video imported you don't have these issues?  
Keyzs seems to know what he's talking about.
If these problems only occur when there is video present, I'd follow his suggestions carefully and report back.
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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/13 13:56:38 (permalink)
I've worked with video quite a bit using Sonar and if you follow Keyzs post I don't think you will go far wrong. Sonar likes avi and has issues with other formats. Also exporting can be a right royal pain especially if you need it compressing for upload to something like youtube, that is where windows movie maker comes in. Once you have exported the video from Sonar Import it into windows movie maker and export it using the Youtube setting.

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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/14 04:26:59 (permalink)
i like working with wmv in sonar, yeah Keyz has nailed it, you got to make sure its the right format PAL or NTSC
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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/14 06:41:27 (permalink)
Bear in mind that AVI is not a video codec; it's a container format, and Sonar will still get upset with some codecs within AVI.

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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/14 10:25:40 (permalink)
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First off, let me tell you that whoever is reading this Sonar x2 is so infuriating to get working, its to the point of inferior.  Who sends these products out with all these bugs, and why can't I find tutorials for specific questions I have?  Come on cakewalk, your tutorials are so general!!!  Im a composer, and I just had an 1 hour and half movie to score, and I had nothing but crashes! I have a 6 core processor, 4 hard drives in a raid, memory is not a problem.  When I import the video it gets unworkably slow and freezes all the time.  I can't add eq, I can't add tracks, nothing because its constantly crashing.  I tried a test with a 1 minute video I had, same thing.  I tried disabling my antivirus to free memory, same thing!  I have clients that are expecting due dates for these things, and have been a loyal customer since cakewalk pro audio 9.  But come on, at least make sonar useable for composers that do films and score movies and work with large video files, not just people that put loops together for a 3 minute song.  

i've scored hundreds of hours of picture in Sonar.  TV shows, Films, Commercials, industrial videos.  I just completed 10 hour long shows for a cable series.  No crashes with a computer not as powerful.   i think you are not using the correct type of picture format.
 

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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/14 10:47:43 (permalink)
I'm a sound designer and have no issues at all.

Basically dude, check your codecs.

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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/14 10:48:19 (permalink)
I just completed 10 hour long shows for a cable series.



What series? I'd like to hear your work. 

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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/14 10:51:43 (permalink)
I have just completed a feature film, done all the sound design with over 200 tracks of audio, imported OMF's, shed loads of soft synths, working with a hi res MOV video, exported all the different mixes i.e M&E, DME, Theatrical, Tv, DVD mixes etc and as I say, had no issues whatsoever

It can be done, and it does work.

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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/14 20:40:45 (permalink)
 Hi Markyzno ! 

I remember we had discussions on another thread about video codecs.. 

I'm not sure I still have the right codecs to make Sonar behave correctly, 
I get wierd lags all the time. 

Would you mind sharing your video converting settings ? (please!!)

I think the community (but me first!) would really appreciate it ! 

I've been dealing with these lags and get over it to get things done, but it would make my day if I could solve this! 

Many thanks ! 

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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/14 21:09:39 (permalink)
daveny5



I just completed 10 hour long shows for a cable series.



What series? I'd like to hear your work. 
 
 
As of right now i can not say....non-disclosure thingy.  Soon I'll be trying to let everyone and their brother in on it for promo purposes.
 
Until then here is a somewhat dated Youtube demo. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E1izALcB3k  

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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/14 22:54:46 (permalink)
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daveny5



I just completed 10 hour long shows for a cable series.



What series? I'd like to hear your work. 
 
 
As of right now i can not say....non-disclosure thingy.  Soon I'll be trying to let everyone and their brother in on it for promo purposes.
 
Until then here is a somewhat dated Youtube demo. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E1izALcB3k  


Good stuff Jim, it sounds great! 


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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/15 10:01:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Desmo808 2013/08/15 16:28:16
Heya Mate :)

I just have the klite video codecs installed.

Theres *probably* another couple as well but I cant for the life recall what they are!!

In terms of exporting video from Sonar, I NEVER do this as basically Sonar is ghastly at it....So I export the audio, then remarry the sound to video in either Premiere (for high end stuff) or plain old Movie maker (for rough video cuts and smaller files)

The video files I usually get from clients that are imported into Sonar are MOV's...H264 Mpeg Layer 4 decoded by Plana 4:2:0 YUV, frame rate at either 25 fps or 24 fps....Audio at 48k 24 bit. Resolution 1920 x 1080.

Hope this helps!
vlab


 Hi Markyzno ! 

I remember we had discussions on another thread about video codecs.. 

I'm not sure I still have the right codecs to make Sonar behave correctly, 
I get wierd lags all the time. 

Would you mind sharing your video converting settings ? (please!!)

I think the community (but me first!) would really appreciate it ! 

I've been dealing with these lags and get over it to get things done, but it would make my day if I could solve this! 

Many thanks ! 

V




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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/15 10:39:01 (permalink)
Hey Marky ! 

You just made my day ! 

I thought that MOV files were no longer working in 64bit Sonar... !! 
I updated my Klite pack, and BAM!! it works ! 

I still get some lag when locating when audio is not playing, but it's way better than it used to. I can work with this now!
and it seems I get no lag at all when I scroll when audio/video is playing (that's the main thing I wanted to work!). 

So thanks again .. really ! 

Cheers! 

V

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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/15 13:07:12 (permalink)
the MOV format is native to Qucktime. Although this is a rather adaptable format in video editing, it is far from perfect. It will work in Premiere though. 

H264 or mp4 is working very well in almost all current video editors because of the 1080i resolution however, with regard to this post, i have not imported the video and audio stream into Sonar. one thing about Sonar is that it doesnt edit video as mentioned above, hence its inherent video decoding codecs may not be a powerful when compared to native video editors like Premiere. 

as far as i can remember, Sonar likes AVI. As mentioned in a previous post, AVI being a container, do use the codecs "DV NTSC", "DV PAL" or "DV (24p)" for 29.97fps, 25fps or 24fps respectively. A 2min file will take up about 420MB of space when done. If you're using Premiere, just use the AVI Export presets, they got you covered.

The thing about installing third party codecs for video playback is fine for viewing either on VLC or other media players. However, quite some time ago i had a nasty experience after installing an audio "split" type codec just to satisfy some specific video condition. trust me.... when i tell you that it affected the ASIO codes, among others, and Sound Forge was plagued with issues i cant even begin to describe. 

do install these codes with care.

cheers all...
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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/15 13:21:01 (permalink)
Sonar likes AVI and MOV just fine.
keyzs


the MOV format is native to Qucktime. Although this is a rather adaptable format in video editing, it is far from perfect. It will work in Premiere though. 

H264 or mp4 is working very well in almost all current video editors because of the 1080i resolution however, with regard to this post, i have not imported the video and audio stream into Sonar. one thing about Sonar is that it doesnt edit video as mentioned above, hence its inherent video decoding codecs may not be a powerful when compared to native video editors like Premiere. 

as far as i can remember, Sonar likes AVI. As mentioned in a previous post, AVI being a container, do use the codecs "DV NTSC", "DV PAL" or "DV (24p)" for 29.97fps, 25fps or 24fps respectively. A 2min file will take up about 420MB of space when done. If you're using Premiere, just use the AVI Export presets, they got you covered.

The thing about installing third party codecs for video playback is fine for viewing either on VLC or other media players. However, quite some time ago i had a nasty experience after installing an audio "split" type codec just to satisfy some specific video condition. trust me.... when i tell you that it affected the ASIO codes, among others, and Sound Forge was plagued with issues i cant even begin to describe. 

do install these codes with care.

cheers all...



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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/15 13:22:48 (permalink)
Glad it worked for you!!!!! :)
vlab


Hey Marky ! 

You just made my day ! 

I thought that MOV files were no longer working in 64bit Sonar... !! 
I updated my Klite pack, and BAM!! it works ! 

I still get some lag when locating when audio is not playing, but it's way better than it used to. I can work with this now!
and it seems I get no lag at all when I scroll when audio/video is playing (that's the main thing I wanted to work!). 

So thanks again .. really ! 

Cheers! 

V



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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/15 14:33:56 (permalink)
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daveny5



I just completed 10 hour long shows for a cable series.



What series? I'd like to hear your work. 
 
 
As of right now i can not say....non-disclosure thingy.  Soon I'll be trying to let everyone and their brother in on it for promo purposes.
 
Until then here is a somewhat dated Youtube demo. 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E1izALcB3k  

Dang Jimbo, mighty impressive portfolio there my friend!

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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/16 12:57:26 (permalink)

Dumb question time which version of the codec pack did you install as there are options of basic, standard, full and also a 64-bit version.



markyzno


Heya Mate :)

I just have the klite video codecs installed.

Theres *probably* another couple as well but I cant for the life recall what they are!!

In terms of exporting video from Sonar, I NEVER do this as basically Sonar is ghastly at it....So I export the audio, then remarry the sound to video in either Premiere (for high end stuff) or plain old Movie maker (for rough video cuts and smaller files)

The video files I usually get from clients that are imported into Sonar are MOV's...H264 Mpeg Layer 4 decoded by Plana 4:2:0 YUV, frame rate at either 25 fps or 24 fps....Audio at 48k 24 bit. Resolution 1920 x 1080.

 Hope this helps!





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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/16 21:50:49 (permalink)
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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/17 05:20:19 (permalink)
you are on Win 7 64 bit, so install the 64 bit version (full)
biodiode



Dumb question time which version of the codec pack did you install as there are options of basic, standard, full and also a 64-bit version.



markyzno


Heya Mate :)

I just have the klite video codecs installed.

Theres *probably* another couple as well but I cant for the life recall what they are!!

In terms of exporting video from Sonar, I NEVER do this as basically Sonar is ghastly at it....So I export the audio, then remarry the sound to video in either Premiere (for high end stuff) or plain old Movie maker (for rough video cuts and smaller files)

The video files I usually get from clients that are imported into Sonar are MOV's...H264 Mpeg Layer 4 decoded by Plana 4:2:0 YUV, frame rate at either 25 fps or 24 fps....Audio at 48k 24 bit. Resolution 1920 x 1080.

Hope this helps!





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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/22 07:42:20 (permalink)
Just in case anyone had encountered problems with video in Sonar after installing the klite x64 pack. Once installed I encountered problems in Sonar in that once the video had been added all the controls became sluggish. I managed to fix this by going in the klite control panel and setting .AVI back to Microsoft (recommended) under the 'preferred splitters' tab. Once I had done this the video ran fine and Sonar stopped being sluggish.

Thought I would pass this on.

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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/23 07:14:24 (permalink)
+1, I should have advised that earlier! doh!

again, glad you got it all sorted :)
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Just in case anyone had encountered problems with video in Sonar after installing the klite x64 pack. Once installed I encountered problems in Sonar in that once the video had been added all the controls became sluggish. I managed to fix this by going in the klite control panel and setting .AVI back to Microsoft (recommended) under the 'preferred splitters' tab. Once I had done this the video ran fine and Sonar stopped being sluggish.

Thought I would pass this on.




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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/05/23 08:02:41 (permalink)
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I just completed 10 hour long shows for a cable series.



What series? I'd like to hear your work. 
 
 
As of right now i can not say....non-disclosure thingy.  Soon I'll be trying to let everyone and their brother in on it for promo purposes.
 
Until then here is a somewhat dated Youtube demo. 
 
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Super impressive!!!!
 
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Re:My Goodness what is wrong with editing video in sonar!!! Im gonna scream!!! 2013/08/15 11:26:49 (permalink)
This is an old thread, but I thought I would post this here (I just posted this in the Sonar X1 / X2 Forum):
 
I am posting this here as a helpful tip for anyone trying to get HD video to either a) import properly into Sonar 64 bit, or b) play smoothly and in sync once it does import.  There are a great number of crappy free codec "solutions" out there that can do more harm than good.  I am working on a (non-film scoring) project with a company that actually masters consumer Blu-ray content, and they sent me a link to a codec download that totally solved my problems getting HD video to play properly within 64 bit Sonar.  When I was researching how to solve this problem, it seemed like many others out there were having the same issues (unable to import video, horrible playback), so I thought I would share the solution I found here. 
 
To find the specific pack I downloaded, Google "google lav filters 0.58.2" with the word "google" actually in the search window.  That brings you directly to a safe download that does not try to install other software along with the filters.  You can just Google LAV filters and find other versions; all I know is that this version worked perfectly for me.  I am now able to import .mov, .mp4 and avi files that use H264 without any problems.
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