Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This

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Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This

I had a few forum issues this week-end and my first post failed.
 
Anyway, I bought the Banjo VI for Kontakt from Bolder Sounds previously and just added Mandolin this week and they are phenomenal.
 
The Banjo package actually has multiple instruments for Kontakt: one is a standard MIDI-controlled VI; one is specifically made to add authentic banjo rolls to your tracks; one is for chords (not strumming); and one is for use with a MIDI-guitar, if that is your thing.  By creating two Kontakt instances--one for the standard rolls and one for my custom notes--I got really cool results.  I would use the rolls for most of the song but leave bars blank from time to time to add my own licks on the standard instrument (called Strings).  Since the Rolls instrument has a number of good variations and licks, this really worked well.  The standard instrument also has hammer on and off, slides, and bends to add realism.
 
I am just starting to work with the Mandolin but so far it is great.  It has a standard instrument and one specifically for chops (chord-comping).
 
I did not mean for this to sound like an ad: I just think these products are awesome and extremely reasonably priced.
 
You will need the FULL KONTAKT PLAYER--not the free player.
 
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    John
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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/13 16:02:51 (permalink)
    Totally agree!  

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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/13 18:57:16 (permalink)
    Great samples and not a bad price very reasonable.
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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/14 00:09:05 (permalink)
    Join us down on the software forum
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2827913
     Anyway these are great, highly recommended.

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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/14 00:57:42 (permalink)
    Well - all those thing are nice and payable, until you realize you have to pay the price of the full NI Kontakt version. For € 399 price tag it's out of reach for me at this moment (and I guess it will be for a long time at this difficult financial times), and the free player is not usable sadly.
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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/14 09:32:12 (permalink)
    JClosed, I totally understand.  I recently bit the bullet and upgraded to the full Kontakt player and it opened up a world of affordable (and sometimes free) samples.  (By the way, on NI's US site, Kontakt is $399 USD, not 399 Euros.  Still expensive, but a bit better at the current exchange rate. )

    I guess the choice is pay for more expensive products that use the free player (or their own players), or pay one time for Kontakt and then have access to the lower-priced options.  People's situations and needs are different.

    For me, I acutally did not need most of the bundled content that comes with Kontakt because I had other soft synths/VIs; however, I use some of the free content and many people on this forum swear by it.  You could make great records with nothing but the free Kontakt content if you had no other soft synths.

    Anyway, some of the smaller companies (like Bolder Sounds and Noisefirm) are making great stuff if and when you decide to go with the full Kontakt.  And both of these companies offer great support.  Not sure how they afford it.

    If you do make this choice at some point, feel free to send me a PM if you want me to share anything I learned along the way.  (I'm not that smart, but sometimes I learn a few things from my dumb mistakes!)

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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/14 09:44:51 (permalink)
    Kontakt is the sampler to get. Without it you cut yourself off from a great many great sounds. 

    Cost is a consideration especially in these times. I still recommend it.  

    Kontakt 5 is simply outstanding. One thing is NI has in the past had summer sales that often make Kontakt affordable. I would look for a sale this summer.

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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/14 10:01:59 (permalink)
    Thanks Konrad, will definitely check these out.

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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/15 02:19:07 (permalink)
    Thanks for the offer konradh. I certainly will contact you if I have any trouble with Kontakt. Kontakt 5 is on my wish-list for a while now, but it will take some time before I will have enough "spare" money to buy it. I am still financially recovering from buying Omnisphere at the beginning of this year (worth every cent in my opinion tough). Oh - well... So many nice things to buy and a chronic shortage of insane financial wealth to just do that... ;-).
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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/15 12:09:57 (permalink)
    Konrad, I might look at these myself. Is what you describe as Banjo VI equivalent to Bluegrass Banjo on the Bolder Sounds website?

    Cheers

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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/15 12:40:14 (permalink)
    For that money I think I'll hire a real player! Just kiddin' 

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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/15 13:19:47 (permalink)
    Hey, Garry.  I am talking about the Mandolin and Banjo you see at the top of the Boldersounds.net website: Pure Mandolin and Bluegrass Banjo.  I might have caused a little confusion accidentally.  When you buy Bluegrass Banjo, you get four different things you can load into Kontakt (plus some loops) included in the price:

    1.  "Normal Banjo" (Bolder calls this "Strings") which can play any notes, rolls, or licks you program in MIDI.  This may be all you need

    2. A VI that is specifically created to play rolls and licks that are triggered with a single note.  For example, you can put a whole note in the staff and the instrument will play whichever roll or lick you have selected.  This is in case you don't want to program your own, or if you are in a hurry.  I found this function just a tad confusing but the online video explains it perfectly.

    3.  A VI that specifically plays chords.  This isn't for strumming, but to give you super-relastic chords to add to your sequence, for endings, etc.  Since I have played banjo, I may not need this much, but it is handy because it plays the chords in the right inversion and voicing which might be challenging for a non-player.

    4.  An instrument that lets you play the banjo using your MIDI guitar.  I will never use this but it is cool.
     
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    My apologies to Bolder if I am not explaining this in the proper terms, but hopefully it will make sense to you guys.  Considering the depth of programming and the options for Bluegrass Banjo, I am quite surprised by the price.
     
    post edited by konradh - 2013/05/16 10:38:53

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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/16 04:09:03 (permalink)
    Yeah, I've seen many great software packages going for ridiculous prices, only to read "Full Version of Kontakt Required".

    Sadly that is out of my reach for the foreseeable future.

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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/17 17:25:20 (permalink)
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    Hey, Garry.  I am talking about the Mandolin and Banjo you see at the top of the Boldersounds.net website: Pure Mandolin and Bluegrass Banjo.  I might have caused a little confusion accidentally.  When you buy Bluegrass Banjo, you get four different things you can load into Kontakt (plus some loops) included in the price:

    1.  "Normal Banjo" (Bolder calls this "Strings") which can play any notes, rolls, or licks you program in MIDI.  This may be all you need

    2. A VI that is specifically created to play rolls and licks that are triggered with a single note.  For example, you can put a whole note in the staff and the instrument will play whichever roll or lick you have selected.  This is in case you don't want to program your own, or if you are in a hurry.  I found this function just a tad confusing but the online video explains it perfectly.

    3.  A VI that specifically plays chords.  This isn't for strumming, but to give you super-relastic chords to add to your sequence, for endings, etc.  Since I have played banjo, I may not need this much, but it is handy because it plays the chords in the right inversion and voicing which might be challenging for a non-player.

    4.  An instrument that lets you play the banjo using your MIDI guitar.  I will never use this but it is cool.
     
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    My apologies to Bolder if I am not explaining this in the proper terms, but hopefully it will make sense to you guys.  Considering the depth of programming and the options for Bluegrass Banjo, I am quite surprised by the price.
     
    Thanks for the info Konrad, if the finances permit when I check the account, I may dive in. Thanks for taking the trouble to go through the banjo set up...


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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/18 06:35:14 (permalink)
    My world would be a ****tier place without Kontakt!!!

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    Re:Banjo and Mandolin - 2nd Attempt to Post This 2013/05/18 08:19:13 (permalink)
    Kontakt has become the "Swiss Army Knife" in the musical world. 


    It seems that everyone is making compatible sample sets for it. 

    As has been pointed out, some of them are very good quality sounds. 

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