junedrive
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Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
Well,I finally moved to Windows 8 and amazingly it's been pretty painless in terms of compatibility issues with my aging hardware. Until today! I have noticed that Sonar doesn't respond as quickly when I hit play but figured I could live with that. But today I tried to record and it won't. All I get is static. Sonar loads faster and playback is fine other than the sluggish starts. I've adjusted and tweaked to the best of my ability, (which I confess is somewhat limited). I've swapped ASIO to WMD and back (WMD is the preferred). I've reinstalled drivers. I've re-profiled more than the IRS and nothing seems to help. Just loud static. Also the track meter doesn't show activity even though mic is audible but it will record the static... I just assumed that it was a driver compatibility issue because I'm running Windows 7 drivers for this ol Wami Rack. But I was told by others they work fine for them. Then I decided to reinstall Studio One Artist and lo and behold it's snappy and record works fine. Having narrowed it to a Sonar issue I figured it was time to consult the experts. Any ideas (besides upgrading to S2:)?
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/14 20:47:17
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Check your playback timing master and recording timing master. Verify that your project bit depth and sample rate match what your hardware is set to. Be sure to run the 'Wave Profiler' from the preferences after each change to WDM/KS. Glen
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junedrive
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/14 21:49:22
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Glen thanks for the help. I took a closer look at playback and recording timing master and they are both set on 'wami rack 192 audio 1 and 2. Bit depths and sample rates all match with hardware. A few minutes before noticing the record problem I noticed that in the piano roll only one midi note would play. Even if there were many there just the first would play. I lowered buffer settings and it seemed to correct the problem but was concerned because the problem came out of nowhere. Then when I went to record I had this problem. I'm considering re-installing Sonar.
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/15 00:26:52
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Hi junedrive, look at the ESI website and it appears that, on their drivers page, the latest driver is dated 30th November 2009. I know others have told you that the Windows 7 drivers work fine, but it may be that a combination of your WaMi Rack, Windows 8, Sonar and your computer hardware. I'm wondering if it is worth an e-mail to ESI? Are they still a going concern?
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junedrive
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/15 05:30:03
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Yeah Synkrotron, that's what I'm thinking, that it's likely that Sonar doesn't play nicely with the ESI Windows 7 drivers. ESI is still in business but to call their support, support would be overly gracious. Particularly for the older stuff. Some time ago I asked on their forum if they intended to release Win 8 drivers. The company didn't respond but one owner did. He was the one that said Win 7 works great for him. Having said all that, when I first installed X1 after installing Win 8, it worked. Sonar was sluggish but the midi playback worked fine. But I hadn't tested record. Then midi playback failed and I tried to record and it was all downhill. That initial functioning and rapid decline in performance is the reason for considering the reinstall.
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robert_e_bone
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/15 06:29:53
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I believe there is a Windows 7 compatibility mode for applications in Windows 8 - have you tried that? (I am grasping there - if drivers are not available for Windows 8 you are most likely out of luck, which is why folks should really do their homework prior to upgrading to Windows 8). Sorry for your difficulty, in any case, and I hope there is a solution for you. I do not recall seeing any such solution though, for anyone so far who has posted similar issues with non-supported interface drivers on Windows 8. For whatever the worth, Windows 8 seems to work well with Sonar X2a, as long as the interface drivers are up to snuff and the system meets the stated requirements for Sonar, as found on the Cakewalk site. Bob Bone
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/15 07:16:44
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I've been lucky with Windows 8 thus far, although I've not pushed at any boundaries as of yet so there is still chance for things to fall over. As Robert says, we need to do our homework before upgraded our OS, and I was fortunate that Roland updated their drivers for the QUAD-CAPTURE otherwise I don't think I would have bothered. I would understand your feelings if you were miffed about your WaMi card not working with Win8, nice looking card that and I've just had a look at the SOS review of it and it gets a reasonable write-up. May be that you will either need to stick with Win7, or, as you've said, try another DAW, providing the price is right of course...
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junedrive
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/15 07:31:49
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Thanks Bob. I purchased 8 pro when it was 40 bucks and planned on installing it when/if esi developed drivers for it. When the fellow said the 7 drivers worked for him I figured what the heck. Cakewalk was leaving XP in the dust and MS was ending support for it, a problem because I use the computer on the internet. I figured if it worked, fine, if not, I'd upgrade my interface. Since it works in S1, if I can't get Sonar running I'll most likely move on over there as it's cheaper than a new interface. But I don't look forward to the whole process and though Sonar isn't perfect, no daw is, at least I know where things are. Plus I have tons of projects in Sonar.. I do have an install question though. If I reinstall Sonar are there any registry items I need to delete or is it a straight forward process? Mike
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junedrive
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/15 08:21:40
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Synkrotron, yeah that is the problem because though the card is older it's served me well and has decent specs. I really didn't have much choice with exiting XP, probably should have gone with Windows 7 though but man that 40 bucks was hard to pass up!. I suppose I should consider windows 7. It would be cheaper than Studio One and less involved in changing over..Bob, I failed to mention that I have the Windows 7 compatibility mode checked.
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/15 08:22:46
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junedrive
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/15 08:29:32
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Daveny5 I tried it. It does record but has pops in the playback. In the past it never performed well with ASIO either. But, it does record mic sound as opposed to the WDM static.
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/15 10:59:50
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junedrive Daveny5 I tried it. It does record but has pops in the playback. In the past it never performed well with ASIO either. But, it does record mic sound as opposed to the WDM static. Hi - I just sent you a private message with my cell number in it. Please give me a call regarding your interface issues. Bob Bone
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/15 22:27:34
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I haven't upgraded to Win 8 cause drivers for Win 8 aren't out for my sound interface. Seen lots of issues with that.
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/16 04:03:27
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robert_e_bone junedrive Daveny5 I tried it. It does record but has pops in the playback. In the past it never performed well with ASIO either. But, it does record mic sound as opposed to the WDM static. Hi - I just sent you a private message with my cell number in it. Please give me a call regarding your interface issues. Bob Bone @Junedrive - I COMPLETELY FORGOT to call you back yesterday. I DID have a nagging thought I was supposed to call someone, but could not remember who it was. I had spent a number of hours (literally 4+ hours) at a car dealership purchasing a new vehicle, and the process was so exhausting I just drove straight home and climbed into bed. Please call me during the day today at your convenience and I will discuss my thoughts on assisting you with your issues. I DO have an idea that I think will work for you, and want to chat through it via phone, so please do give me a call today at the number you called me at yesterday. Again, PROFOUND apologies for my aging brain. Bob Bone
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Re:Thought I dodged a Windows 8 bullet
2013/05/16 07:53:22
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Maarkr, can't say I blame you!! I wouldn't have either but was told these drivers are working for others. Most likely they weren't using Sonar...Hey Bob no problem at all, I'll give you a call today. The latest is I contacted Cakewalk support and they walked me thru some steps but they were ones I had already walked. He gave it a good try though. He mentioned that X1 wasn't optimized for Windows 8 but X2 was, so I downloaded the demo and it had the same record problems. I want to stress that my interface works perfectly with Studio One artist Version 1 so I can only conclude that the problem has something to do with either a Sonar setting that's been overlooked or Sonar and these interface drivers just don't get along.
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