korg , sonar and protools. please help

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2013/05/28 08:02:17 (permalink)

korg , sonar and protools. please help

so this is a complex disater my drummer is creating simply. we have been working on a demo. the drummer has a korgD3200 works great for drum and bass live audio capture.
i run sonar x1 (x2 im waiting for a update)
with a  asus fx990 16 gigs ram 3 drives 2 in a raid with 1010 soundcard.  
and my drummer has PT on a laptop ,)fart(
so the drum and bass are hanging on the korg ready to be pulled into sonar for my lovly guitar, and vox
but my drummer want to try to mix the intire song on the kork workstation. on a 6 in monitor and a flywheel.
these guy are are former berkly kids and all have PT on laptops,but also has 7 bad ass mics all set in a sound room, ready to go. funny and useless.
so im thinking the best and only way to get a good demo would be to bring my daw to him.and hook sonar out to the korg and use it as a mixer. and then just use the 10 outputs to go directly to the daw. and make my dreams come true.they say you can some how usb the korg into PT on the laptop, but  10 seperate tracks.??
this drummer is great but he seems to have PROTOOLITIS and thinks sonar is nothing more than a toy.
so in theory the best idea i have is to bring my studio to practice ,throw it behind the korg ,and run a nice little studio for a two weeks session.does korg have somkind of high tec usb that unaware of.and if so cant i do it with sonar, or would i want to>>any idea you have could help please repond sonar forum your needed asap. im going back wed. and FYI he said the memory caused the korg to frezze up the last mix. and now has to be redone.but yet they still swear that PT will save my day in the end,so am i right just throw the korg on as a mixer , nothing more and throw his laptop in the trash,
 are those korg recording workstations even made for full band production.and if so it seems like Music Creator3 would work better that using that tiny workspace and the fact im having plugin withdrawal just watchng him
dont help, like my first step with guitar is to throw on stereotool and spread the guitar, thats now a dead issue
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    synkrotron
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    Re:korg , sonar and protools. please help 2013/05/28 08:10:27 (permalink)
    I've never seen protools, but I would be rather surprised if you could not simply export a wave file for each track and then drag and drop them straight into Sonar. The only thing I would do is make sure I have the tempo sorted beforehand, although it is not essential.

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    Re:korg , sonar and protools. please help 2013/05/28 08:32:37 (permalink)
    those workstations have USB but im unshure if it even for tracks. i though it was to use it as a control surface.
     funny when the drummer finished the tracks with the bass, and i said ok now how do we get them on my daw,(her comes the big USB secret) No instead we just changed the inputs to out and then played it as i recorded it on sonar. that cant be how they use it with PT. cus in my eyes thats just being used as a mixer
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    Re:korg , sonar and protools. please help 2013/05/28 09:12:34 (permalink)
    Read the D3200 manual: 
    A file exported to the PC drive can then be saved on your computer. To do so, first save the file on the PC drive of the D3200’s hard disk, and then save that file onto your computer.

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    Re:korg , sonar and protools. please help 2013/05/28 13:10:37 (permalink)
    Daven your telling me his korg has a simple export to drive that i can then just upload to sonar .what is it all waves??, and there is no format issues, any input would help since its not my toy and wonder how other use them>>with SONAR and or PT
     so capture with korg basicly  and then dump to sonar?/i find the korg always has captured a clean sound with his mics, but after its capture i wont my custom sonar guitar sound. if ya feel me. i have grown custom to the tool
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    Re:korg , sonar and protools. please help 2013/05/28 13:21:32 (permalink)
    I would suggest you look up the D3200 manual on the Korg website. That's what I did. Maybe the guy that owns the D3200 knows how to do it. The manual gives pretty good instructions on how to do it. See page 87. 

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    Re:korg , sonar and protools. please help 2013/05/28 13:39:17 (permalink)
    My Boss 800 seems similar except in a smaller scale. 
    And yes it will be in the manual. I use mine as a controller with USB recording direct to the DAW (I can do 4 stereo tracks at a time) or, alternately, record direct to it and import the (converted) wav files thru USB to Sonar after. It's just more portable that way and less setup hassle.

    Yes, you could mix it in the Korg too, but Sonar is so much better for editing.


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    Re:korg , sonar and protools. please help 2013/05/28 14:51:38 (permalink)
    wow i thought the best way would be since i have 8-10 inputs on the delta was to use the mics and play live i to sonar with 8 outs from korg. but it only does 8 tracks.
     so the korg will allow a save to comp. that i can then save anywhere. and even if 16  or moretracks they will all be in sync.???::??.once i find the best .il be set"
     my drummer has not read past hit record. and trim. he has a compleat7Pic kit set with mics and i bring my combo for practice. i was just deciding if i should bring my daw.to him..its been a pain to get a thing on my drives///. and how may guitar players now have to have there plugins for recording. i use stereotool on all guitar pars so i hate the korg from jump.
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    Re:korg , sonar and protools. please help 2013/05/29 17:25:24 (permalink)
    Don't read the manual, make him do it. I am not sure, but he might be recording in the Korg at 16 bit.
     
    It's all good, I guess. I would definately want my recordings at 24 bit, or higher. The Korg has usb, how that workes exactly I am not sure, if it comes with a DAW? A track recorded at 16 bit can never be a 24 bit original recorded track. It can be converted and read as a 24 bit track, but it is still a 16 bit recorded track.
     
    I would let him do his thing on the Korg, then export the wav files to your PC, and import them into your Sonar or whatever DAW. Pro Tools is also a good program.
     
    I am not sure I understand what exactly you are trying to do, or how he is recording the drums into the Korg? I assume you are using it as a mixer. Without proper pre-amp for those mics you wont get a great sound there. However if you could pre-amp them all and run the into Sonar at 24 bit, that is how i would go, provided you have a drum sound room? I am not familar with the Korg he is using. You most definately need the bass and the drums on seperate tracks and not bleeding into the mics? If possible run a line out of the korg and into the Break Out to the DAW and capture what he is recording into the Korg. Again one track at a time, or a live performance your choice. Either way, if your creating a sound signal, record it however you desire. Definately mixing in either Pro Tools or Sonar will be a better product than doing at 16 bit inside the Korg. Going into the DAW through an interface after the mixer will work on a desktop or a laptop, wont matter there. If he want to use the effects in the Korg for his drums that is fine, but record the tracks at 24 bit. Many mastering houses won't even take 16 bit material.
     
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