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IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
Hello, I recently was looking for a good Moog Synthesizer sound and made probably an ill advised purchase of IK Multimedia's SampleMoog. After my first install it appeared to load from Sonar X2 64bit, but there was no sound. Then after a second try it would not load at all and would give me an error that it's not installed correctly. So I reinstalled it (burning a second of the 5 allowed installs) This time I used Jbridge for the 32-bit wrapper, but still no luck. I also installed the free SampleTank which does appear to run though I don't know how to get any instruments loaded into it. I have tried directing it to the SampleMoog folders but it doesn't seem to recognize any instruments. Anybody here have any success with this VST instrument? If so, what can I do to get it to work? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/01 03:57:41
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I've certainly had problems with these softsynths, but apparently not the same ones as you are describing. You need to initially open them as standalone before trying to use them in Sonar. Also they need to be run as administrator.
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/01 05:53:01
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I have all the IKM vstis running in X2a 64 bit. No probs. I just installed them nothing special. I use jBridge.
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/01 06:05:25
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I would try IKMultimedia technical support, they should be able to replace the activations you used up and hopefully point you in the right direction. It's worth looking in the software forum and seeing the ****storms about IK's instruments and the lack of 64 bit support. If you do not get any replies from IK support send a message on this forum to IKObi (you will see his posts in the software forum) and ask him to follow up. Sampletank and Miroslav CE both run OK on my system using the standard bitbridge, but others have reported issues in 64 bit Sonar. Sampletank 3, which will apparently read the sounds from all the existing IK products, has been promised for some time. Its long overdue and down of the software forum its something of a standing joke. However if promises are to be believed it will be out later this year. I use G-Force Minimonsta which is a fine Minimoog emulation, thats not 64 bit yet, but I dont have issues with it and a 64 bit version is beta testing from what I hear.
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/01 11:06:06
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your best bet is to do a cc chargeback and abandon IK all together. their software is all buggy in 64bit and all indications from their company show them going towards designing toy keyboards for your iphone that you can buy with jam points and green skittles! you will probably never get it working properly if there is already an issue on your particular system. try arturia moog. best of luck.
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/01 11:07:56
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also their customer support for legacy products is nearly null
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/01 16:34:46
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Kev999
I've certainly had problems with these softsynths, but apparently not the same ones as you are describing. You need to initially open them as standalone before trying to use them in Sonar. Also they need to be run as administrator.
Thanks for the suggestion. I will running it in standalone with administrator setting. I won't have time for another week to mess with it.
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/01 16:39:18
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Glyn Barnes
I would try IKMultimedia technical support, they should be able to replace the activations you used up and hopefully point you in the right direction. It's worth looking in the software forum and seeing the ****storms about IK's instruments and the lack of 64 bit support. If you do not get any replies from IK support send a message on this forum to IKObi (you will see his posts in the software forum) and ask him to follow up.
Sampletank and Miroslav CE both run OK on my system using the standard bitbridge, but others have reported issues in 64 bit Sonar. Sampletank 3, which will apparently read the sounds from all the existing IK products, has been promised for some time. Its long overdue and down of the software forum its something of a standing joke. However if promises are to be believed it will be out later this year.
I use G-Force Minimonsta which is a fine Minimoog emulation, thats not 64 bit yet, but I dont have issues with it and a 64 bit version is beta testing from what I hear.
Thanks Glyn for the information. I'll check it out. Minimonsta looks interesting. Thanks!
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/01 16:43:06
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gerberbaby
your best bet is to do a cc chargeback and abandon IK all together. their software is all buggy in 64bit and all indications from their company show them going towards designing toy keyboards for your iphone that you can buy with jam points and green skittles! you will probably never get it working properly if there is already an issue on your particular system. try arturia moog. best of luck.
Thanks Gerberbaby for the recommendation to maybe get a chargeback from IK. I might just do that if my efforts fail to fix it. Yea, I am not to happy now with IK. That interface on Sampletank is awful. Its real hard to read the small print on the red.
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/01 18:18:24
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SampleMoog works fine for me on Windows 7-64 PC, running Sonar X2-64, and I am not using JBridge or anything else special for my 32-bit plugins. You might want to try uninstalling, rebooting, then reinstalling. Before adding to Sonar, run it as administrator in stand-alone mode so you can take care of any registration requirements. What are your system specs? SampleMoog tends to be resource-hungry ~ if you're running with minimum system specs, that could be contributing to your issues. Also, recommend native ASIO or WDM drivers for your sound card. In my experience, "fake" drivers like ASIO4ALL aren't worth the effort and unreliability when used with resource-heavy DAWS and plugins. My PC is a 3GHz dual-core with 8 GB RAM - works fine. SampleMoog has some AWESOME combi synth patches, so it's worth the effort to work through the issues, IMHO... Randy
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/02 15:37:30
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rivers88
SampleMoog works fine for me on Windows 7-64 PC, running Sonar X2-64, and I am not using JBridge or anything else special for my 32-bit plugins.
You might want to try uninstalling, rebooting, then reinstalling.
Before adding to Sonar, run it as administrator in stand-alone mode so you can take care of any registration requirements.
What are your system specs?
SampleMoog tends to be resource-hungry ~ if you're running with minimum system specs, that could be contributing to your issues.
Also, recommend native ASIO or WDM drivers for your sound card.
In my experience, "fake" drivers like ASIO4ALL aren't worth the effort and unreliability when used with resource-heavy DAWS and plugins.
My PC is a 3GHz dual-core with 8 GB RAM - works fine.
SampleMoog has some AWESOME combi synth patches, so it's worth the effort to work through the issues, IMHO...
Randy
Thanks Randy. I'm glad to know that it can work in Sonar X2 with Win7 64 bit. I've got a quad core system with 16 gigs of ram so my resources should be able to handle it no problem. Thanks for your suggestions on what to do to get it to work. If I have success I will report back. It'll be another week before I can mess with it again.
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/02 18:16:50
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Are your sounds listed in it?
As I recall, you need to run it as administrator and tell it where to find its instruments the first time you run it. Or select "relist" and point it to the instruments folder (which is likely somewhere in the IK folders in Program Files (x86), unless you changed this during the install).
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/02 23:57:57
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MFanning
That interface on Sampletank is awful. Its real hard to read the small print on the red.
Yes, the default red background is obnoxious, but you're not stuck with it. You can change the color from the color button on the right side of the GUI. I use a light blue background, and it is much easier to get along with.
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/03 00:19:58
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MFanning
That interface on Sampletank is awful. Its real hard to read the small print on the red. Yes, the default red background is obnoxious...
SampleTank's red GUI looks fine on my DAW PC and the text, although tiny, is perfectly clear and readable. However it looks hideous on my main (family) PC and almost unreadable on my laptop. Apparently it requires the right graphics card and decent monitor.
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/03 12:22:45
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"you need to run it as administrator and tell it where to find its instruments the first time you run it. Or select "relist" and point it to the instruments folder (which is likely somewhere in the IK folders in Program Files (x86) "
+1
I use Sampletank and Miraslav in X2-64...had to do the above...also changed the Sampletank red to light blue/gray
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Re:IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/03 14:25:50
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MFanning, you can go through all the headaches of getting the software to maybe momentarily work with jbridge or you can save yourself the trouble and abandon IK. I've asked them for years when they are updating 32bit vstis to 64 bit... to paraphrase..."oh its in the works"....a bunch of vague responses and then nothing. You can even ask the developer of jbridge, I think there is a special caveat on his website noting IK glitches. Quite simply its neglected buggy software that creates more problems than it solves. Imagine being in the middle of a pro project and your IK plugin locks up your DAW...work gone! how many hrs would it really take a coder to fix the errors or even re-write from scratch? Probably not even a fraction of what you'll spend trying to get it working as advertised! So why aren't they addressing it? B/c they dont give a fu$k! Cleanly written software will run on a cellphone, you really think you need a monster computer to run some simple samples? You should see the PR campaign over the the grsltz site, there is one or two IK fluffer guys who say a lot of crap but never answer questions directly. They dont even directly list the prices of their products anymore. The point of my rant is to cut your losses and move on. Get a refund and find a alternative. Like an arcade where you have to buy tokens and credits. Swim at your own risk brother!
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Re: IK Mutlimeda SampleMoog and SonarX2 64-bit, not loading.
2013/06/08 18:04:45
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Thanks for everyone's input. I have gotten SampleMoog to work in SonarX2 after reinstalling and running it first in administrator mode. I am enjoying it! I have found that for some reason it works better with X2's bitbride. Jbridge seemed somewhat flaky and I was getting op.code dispatch 19 errors with it. So far, good. Thanks again!
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