Dimension Pro

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2013/06/08 17:04:04 (permalink)

Dimension Pro

Can't seem to get any sounds out of Dimension pro. I think I've setup in preferences correctly. Also I/O of the track. If I follow steps, insert soft synth and choose SI-Electric Piano as an example, it will immediately be there with my keyboard, so not sure why I'm having difficulty with Dimension. First time trying it, and have loaded samples from program browser into Dimension and can see levels in X2 track when touching keyboard but still nothing. Any suggestions?  
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    gswitz
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/08 17:10:02 (permalink)
    Touch B to open the Synth Rack. Double click the synth itself and in the top of the synth click and select a sound.
     
    Ensure your midi track is routed to output into the synth.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/08 18:07:00 (permalink)
    Thanks GS, I've tried your suggestion, still not getting the sound although I can see the levels. When you say, ensure midi track is routed to output of synth, can you explain abit further? Do you mean as I insert soft synth and the following window comes into view....at that point?
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/08 18:42:59 (permalink)
    The problem seems to be in Dimension Pro and Rapture. All the other sounds I can hear, such as session drummer x64 and SI-Bass Guitar and z3ta+. Not sure what the problem is.
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/08 18:46:29 (permalink)
    Have you tried running either in standalone mode?
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/08 20:32:12 (permalink)
    He was saying that you should route the Output from the midi track to go TO the synth.  That means that the midi events for the midi track will drive the sound generation of the synth.
     
    The synth then needs to have its output routed to one or more AUDIO tracks.
     
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/08 20:53:08 (permalink)
    Thanks Robert, When you say the synth needs to have its output routed to one or more audio tracks, how do I do that? Can you give me a few steps to follow pls?
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/08 22:31:02 (permalink)
    There's two ways to load softsynths:
    1) As separate MIDI and Synth tracks. This way you have to right click the output bin in the MIDI track and select Dimension Pro as the output.
    2) As a Simple Instrument Track. This way you don't need to set the output, its done automatically. There are some limitations to using Simple Instrument Tracks, but I don't recall what they are. AFAIK, for most things, they work fine.
     
    You select the method when you first insert the softsynth. There is a dialog that pops up.

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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/09 07:19:09 (permalink)
    Thanks for your help. I've tried the suggestions here and still can't get any sound from dimension/rapture. It shouldn't be that difficult I know but something is missing. I see the levels happening in the track view and the I/O are setup, sound from program browser is there,etc. I'll keep on working on it, what a waste of time and frustration...
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/09 08:52:27 (permalink)
    Ok...
    Let's try from a new project to try to limit our variables...
     
    Create a new project and set it up so that when you play it you can hear the metronome. That way we know you've got it set up properly. To do this, route your audio out from your master bus to your interface and enable the metronome.
     
    Next, insert a soft synth. Include the midi track and the output track (see the tutorial if you aren't sure about these instructions). Choose Rapture or Dim Pro. Open the Synth and at the top of the Synth choose a patch (this is through the Synth tab of the browser... double click the Synth... click in the program field at the top and select a program).
     
    Now, right click in the midi track and choose piano roll view. Scroll to measure One and add a long note (couple of measures). You may hear it when you double click to add the tone to piano roll view but you may not.
     
    Now, ctrl+w to RTZ (return to zero or the beginning of the project).
     
    Spacebar to play. You should now hear your single note play.
     
    So, next step, configure your input midi device. To do this Click P to open preferences. Click on the tabs and enable your midi devices by check the boxes next to your devices (see starting tutorials for more info here).
     
    Click Apply and Close on the preferences.
     
    Go to your midi track and select the INPUT for the track at the bottom of the track inspector (click i to show and hide the inspector and ctrl+i to toggle between display modes so you can see the inputs for the track). You can probably just set this to midi omni in.
     
    Now, tickle the ivories and see if you don't hear the glorious sounds.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/09 08:57:00 (permalink)
    I want to add that some patches in Dim Pro don't have sounds outside of ranges appropriate for the instrument being synthesized. In other words, if you choose a bass and try to play c8 or c9 (sounds high on the keyboard) there will be no sound patch. Likewise, if you choose a high pitched instrument and try c1 or c2 you may get no sound.
     

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/09 09:42:22 (permalink)
    Thanks for the help GS. I followed the steps, starting a new project, etc. Everything was going ok until I got to the step, (spacebar to play, you should now hear your single note play). I didn't, and that's what I've been dealing with. I'm wondering if I need to re-install dimension pro, perhaps something is wrong from that angle. i really appreciate you taking the time to explain and go through the steps...I'll keep at it and will update as soon as I get it working...
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/09 09:58:33 (permalink)
    GS, As I mentioned earlier, if I insert a soft synth like SI-Piano, it works right away, no problem. So should the dimension pro/rapture. But those 2 choices are not working. So i think it's something to do with that. For example when I open the dimension pro the window pops up about Complete Registration. But I've checked that out awhile back and when I go through the steps it claims I've already registered. Now today I tried it again and it's now saying the registration code that I have in invalid. So I'm thinking it's something to do with that perhaps. I might have to make the call to Cakewalk and inquire. That being said, the program opens up and I'm able to adjust everything, just can't hear any sounds. Again, thanks everyone for the assistance...
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/09 10:05:46 (permalink)
    Sometimes I find that the standalone versions of the synths tend to have settings options that the VST plugin doesn't. The standalone then memorizes the settings and the VST version uses them. Have a look in the standalone version for different settings. 
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/09 10:06:22 (permalink)
    Rapture and Dim Pro differ from the piano plug in in that you have to select a patch. That's really the main routing difference. If you don't select a patch you don't get a sound. Where the piano plug has a default patch it comes up with, so you get sound no matter what.
     
    I'm not sure how to advise. I basically understand that you are telling me that
    1. you have a midi track routed to the Dim Pro.
    2. your instance of dim pro has a selected patch
    3. you have an audio track with an input from the dim pro
     
    So, what can I ask...
    1. Which dim pro patch did you select?
    2. when you play the midi note, you see the level bounce on which of the two tracks? midi, audio, both, none?
     
    Thanks,
     
    G
     

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/09 10:59:37 (permalink)
    I have windows 8, having a bit of difficulty finding the stand alone version...I know, it should be easy, but when I search for dimension pro files with windows 8 search, I get all kinds of patches and sounds showing but can't seem to find the stand alone icon. Easy with breverb because it's an icon on my desktop. GS, As far as the patches I've tried, I've bounced around to quite a few, piano, strings, guitar, etc. still nothing. I see the level bounce in the track of the dimension pro (midi) when I apply a note with the roland keyboard. I'm outta here for abit, will check back later today....thanks guys....
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/09 11:16:45 (permalink)
    I can't remember if the installers give you the option not to install the standalone versions. The standalone versions are located with the VST dlls. The default 64bit location for DimPro is "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Vstplugins\Dimension Pro"; for Rapture "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Vstplugins\Rapture".
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/09 11:23:54 (permalink)
    Open the event list for the midi track routed to DP. If there are any RPNs or NRPNs in the event list, delete them. Save the project then close Sonar. Open it back up and see if that helped.
     
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/09 11:30:31 (permalink)
    @doto,
     
    I've done what I can for you. I'll leave you in the more capable hands of the more senior forum members.
     
    @guitarpima,
     
    I had him try creating a new project and adding a single midi note at the beginning of the project. This should have ruled out errant midi events.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/09 12:13:28 (permalink)
    When you say you can "see levels" when touching the keyboard, are you seeing midi input levels or audio input levels? Two different things.  My guess is you're seeing midi activity, not audio. Also, the registration "Pop-up" window that you're getting when launching DimPro is another issue that may be causing problems... if DimPro thinks you're still using an demo version, it may think you've gone beyond the trial period and it's disabling itself. I would contact Cake support directly via phone.  Someone there should be able to walk you through the proper steps to straighten things out.


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    Re: Dimension Pro 2013/06/10 16:55:47 (permalink)
    Problem solved. Called Cakewalk...fixed my problem in 30 seconds...that's what drives me crazy, I knew it would be something easy, yet spent what seemed liked way too much time trying to figure what was wrong. Before when I tried to open Dimension Pro/Rapture, this window came up saying to give registration#, and when I did it said "invalid #" even though that registration# was there in my account. Cakewalk tech help told me that was a common problem and all I had to do was right click when opening X2 and then "run as administrator" Then put the registration# in and ta-da...Just like to say thanks to everyone who was trying to help me out here....much appreciated....
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