MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530

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2013/06/12 08:43:23 (permalink)

MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530

Hey everyone. Are any of you using a Yamaha PSR-530 XG keyboard with Sonar? If so, is it possible to play the MIDI tracks from a XG Cartridge thru the MIDI out and record it in Sonar? I'm running MIDI from the keyboard into the MIDI input of a MOTU Ultralite and then into Sonar X2. I can record MIDI tracks using True Pianos and VST Instruments, etc....But can't seem to figure out how to record tracks played from the XG Cartridge. Thanks.

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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/12 09:10:39 (permalink)
    I don't have that keyboard, but will try to help you. What I'm not clear about is whether you are trying to record the midi information only, or capture the audio sound of the midi file playing the on board keyboard patches ?
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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/12 09:21:03 (permalink)
    Hi Paulo.  Thanks for the reply.  I'm really just trying to record the MIDI information only.  There are midi files on an XG cartridge that I have and I wanted to record some of the midi files (as midi) into Sonar so that I could further enhance them and use them as backing tracks with my own audio recordings.  Any thoughts? 

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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/12 09:36:55 (permalink)
    Check the functions for your keyboard.  There may well be one that allows the transfer of midi files to and from the keyboard and your computer.  If so, you could dump selected midi files to your computer and import them into Sonar.
     
    Just a thought, 
     
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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/12 09:45:59 (permalink)
    Ok, as I said, I'm not overly familiar with the cartridges you mention, so forgive any dumb questions on my part. Is this something that adds what yamaha call "styles" which you play with the auto accomp feature or is it just a midi file that plays a pre-programmed song without any further input from you ?
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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/12 09:52:54 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies guys.  
    Paulo:  It's just a midi file that plays a pre-programmed song.
    Robert:  The only thing I haven't tried yet is playing with a switch on the back of the keyboard where you can select output to MIDI, PC 1, PC 2, MAC or HOST.  I've always had it set to MIDI and all has been well, However, I've never tried recording these files either...so it may very well make a huge difference.  
     
    I'm at work now, but will try those setting when I get home tonight.
     
    Any other thoughts?

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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/12 10:35:04 (permalink)
    As Robert said, there may be a way to simply transfer the file via some kind of bulk data send function in your keyboard. You will need to check the manual for that.
     
    Failing that, you could "record" the data by setting up however many midi tracks the file has and assigning the inputs of each one as midi channel 1, midi channel 2 etc... Then on your keyboard go to the midi transmit settings and select what you want to transmit one each channel. ie midi channel 1 = song track 1 etc.
    When your done, arm your midi tracks as usual, press record then play the file on the keyboard in real time. Bear in mind that you may have to fiddle with the drum midi if you reassign to BFD, EZDrummer etc as the notes won't necessarily line up, but it's easy enough to drag them to the correct note in the PRV mode if you don't want to get into drum mapping.
     
    OR........if the songs in question are midi files of commercially released popular songs, it might just be easier to download it from the many www sites that offer midi files.
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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/12 11:04:56 (permalink)
    I'm fairly certain that PSR530 does not transmit the cartridge data through the MIDI port. You can try by connecting a MIDI cable to your computer's MIDI interface,   arm a MIDI track and play one of the cartridge song on the PSR530 and see if Sonar is receiving any MIDI data.
     
    You can, however, record the output as an audio track. 

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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/12 11:54:01 (permalink)
    Yeah, it's an older keyboard, but still does everything I need it to do.  I did notice what Paulo was talking about with the bulk data send as I was combing through the manual last night.
     
    The reason that I don't want to record it as audio is that some of the midi files of the song are combined into one track.  For example...I am really just trying to record the strings of this one song, however, the strings and drums play as one track through the keyboard.  So, I was hoping that if I could record the midi data, I would be able to go into the PRV and remove the drums and leave only the strings.

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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/12 13:17:12 (permalink)
    Look on page 96 of your keyboard manual for information on how to do bulk transmission of your midi files.
     
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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/12 13:21:12 (permalink)
    pages 92-93 of the manual
     
    Transmit Channel & Transmit Track
    The PSR-530 can simultaneously transmit data on all 16 MIDI channels. The
    Transmit Channel and Transmit Track functions determine what PSR-530 data is
    transmitted via which MIDI channels.
    l Transmit Channel
    The “Tr.Ch” function selects a MIDI channel to which a PSR-530 track can be
    assigned via the Transmit Track function, below. First select a transmit channel,
    then the transmit track for that channel. Different tracks can be assigned to each of
    the 16 MIDI channels. Any of the standard MIDI channels - 1 through 16 — can
    be specified.

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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/12 13:35:11 (permalink)
    Here is what I know about using Yamaha arranger keyboards with Sonar:
     
    • Purchased songs generally do not send MIDI out through the ports.  It is a type of copy protection.
    • You can, however, create a song using Yamaha styles--not the same as a purchased song--save the song to a USB stick, and then load that into Sonar.  This is good to know because if you try to use a simple patch command in Sonar, you won't get all the effects that are built into a Yamaha sound.  However, if you select the sound/patch from the keyboard and then save that song to a stick, when you load it into a sequencer like Sonar, you will get all the sysex and commands that call up the sound with all its effects.  I have sometimes created "songs" in the Tyros that are nothing but button pushes to call up sounds with DSP effects.
    • When you use the keyboard with Sonar, you will proably need to turn LOCAL OFF on the keyboard before brining up Sonar or things will get wierd.  Conversely, to use the styles and create a song on the keyboard with LOCAL ON (normal mode), you should have Sonar off or disconnected—and you may need to reboot the keyboard.
     
    This is other stuff than what you asked, but you may find it helpful.  I have a Tyros 2 that has an excellent set of sounds and I use it frequently.  I have also sketched out some songs using styles, loaded them into Sonar, and then made some good tracks by changing them around, adding other stuff, etc.

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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/12 16:15:04 (permalink)
    Wow....Great stuff everyone.  Thanks for all the input.  Sounds like it may be a challenge and I am not very good with MIDI since I really never use it for anything.  If I need keyboard parts for a song or track...piano, strings, pads, etc....I usually just play them on the keyboard and record it in Sonar as audio, not midi.  So this may be WAY more than I bargained for.

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    Re: MIDI question with Yamaha PSR-530 2013/06/18 13:28:41 (permalink)
    If you go through your functions of tab, you come to a screen that says rmote ctrl i believe and give you numbers 1-16. inorder to copy the information properly the 530 will have to be the master, sonar the slave with midi synch. make sure you have song out, and accomp out turned on.
     
    Its been years since I turned on my 520 but I know this should work... had it in 94,  
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