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Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
Hey guys. I have used a Line 6 POD for some time to record guitar and bass. I am not happy. The tones feel thin and lacking. I record via USB clean and then reamp later. I just find the tones lacking in the lower mids. They are fizzy on the top but that can be addressed with some EQ.
Is anyone satisfied with their tones from their PODs? Do you have links to recordings that may impress. If you are happy, any tips on how to get better recordings?
If you were once a POD user but moved on because you weren't satisfied, what do you use today?
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 13:28:05
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I am very satisfied with the tones I get from my Line6 POD 2.0 red kidney bean. I use it for Guitar, Bass, Chapman Stick.
For a while I drifted into the virtual world - Guitar Rig, Amplitude, etc... but lately I've gone back to the POD.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 13:44:47
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i worked with the pod XT for quite a while...
and was never satisfied with it.
i was happiest with it, running it into a real tube amp, and using it only as a preamp, without cab and mic models....
but ultimately, i'm just a real amp kind of guy..
i want speaker excursion, volume, interaction with the guitar/room and cabinet, that's what is inspiring to me.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 13:50:08
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in addition:
i have found that i get far superior 'guitar' sounds using a palmer PDI-09 in conjunction with a weber mass lite attenuator, on a real tube amp (mesa boogie mark2b 60 watt) than i ever found with any modeler
i prefer high volume recording with a combination of sm57 and ksm44 or ADK Hamburg on a cab, close miced...
but the palmer wins out more often than not.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 14:13:42
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I am very satisfied with the tones I get from my Line6 POD 2.0 red kidney bean. I use it for Guitar, Bass, Chapman Stick.
For a while I drifted into the virtual world - Guitar Rig, Amplitude, etc... but lately I've gone back to the POD.
Do you have any music I could listen to?
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 14:29:20
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I'm pretty happy with the tones I'm getting from my POD HD500. I am picky about how I set my tones up on it.Some of the guitar players here swear by adding a compressor to the front end of the pod. My model already has a compressor in it though.
I don't have one or two favorite tones, so sometimes the POD works well and other times it might be something else. I have never went overly crazy about my tones . Maybe I'm too easily satisfied with what I get, but I am a tweaker. There are a lot of settings in the average POD type box. If you factor in the signal levels and what you play it into there are a lot of variables. Two guys could have the same exact POD and be getting different tones from the same setting.
Others have mentioned that "fizz" sound at the top end. I don't hear it in my POD.
I think it's fun to record something and add plug-ins to the signal or copy tracks and comp them. I might have a POD track and then add Guitar Rig to it or a one of the CLA guitar plug-ins. Depending on what it is or what type of sound I'm after. I recently read about Alice in Chains latest album and their guitar tracks having 15 tracks...5 panned left, 5 panned right and 5 in the middle all different amps....from one guitar. This is nothing new, although phasing is an issue if not dealt with.
But the "fizz" you mention isn't something I have had...unless I don't hear it :) I like my POD a lot.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 14:35:28
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I'm pretty happy with the tones I'm getting from my POD HD500. I am picky about how I set my tones up on it.Some of the guitar players here swear by adding a compressor to the front end of the pod. My model already has a compressor in it though.
I don't have one or two favorite tones, so sometimes the POD works well and other times it might be something else. I have never went overly crazy about my tones . Maybe I'm too easily satisfied with what I get, but I am a tweaker. There are a lot of settings in the average POD type box. If you factor in the signal levels and what you play it into there are a lot of variables. Two guys could have the same exact POD and be getting different tones from the same setting.
Others have mentioned that "fizz" sound at the top end. I don't hear it in my POD.
I think it's fun to record something and add plug-ins to the signal or copy tracks and comp them. I might have a POD track and then add Guitar Rig to it or a one of the CLA guitar plug-ins. Depending on what it is or what type of sound I'm after. I recently read about Alice in Chains latest album and their guitar tracks having 15 tracks...5 panned left, 5 panned right and 5 in the middle all different amps....from one guitar. This is nothing new, although phasing is an issue if not dealt with.
But the "fizz" you mention isn't something I have had...unless I don't hear it :) I like my POD a lot.
I had a listen. Sounds good. So what is the difference between a POD HD and XT?
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
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stickman393
I am very satisfied with the tones I get from my Line6 POD 2.0 red kidney bean. I use it for Guitar, Bass, Chapman Stick.
Do you have any music I could listen to?
Sure. Future Imperfect (medium-fi mp3) Guitars, Bass, it's all POD.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 15:50:32
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Sounds great! What is your secret?
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 16:22:28
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a good tube amp is cheaper than all that.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 17:12:02
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Sounds great! What is your secret?
Thanks! The secret is: 1. Capture a good performance 2. Uh... twiddle with the knobs until it sounds good (it was an accident) 3. Apply EQ to the recorded track so that it sounds good IN THE MIX
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 18:48:10
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I have been interested in the PodHD, however, I have been to dozens of guitar and music stores in numerous states and still have not come across a unit that I could actually demo and hear for myself. I have a good friend in Des Moines that records and plays live with the HD500 and swears by it; so much so that he also bought the 50w tube amp that goes with the Pod HD and works them programmed together. I guess I am old school though and want to hear my tone myself before I put money into a unit which costs as much as a micro tube amp.
The amp sims have never really gotten me all that enthused. However, I recently demoed S-Gear and then finally bought it 3-4 weeks ago. It has been the best sim I have tried so far. I have yet to record an entire song with it and completely put it through its paces, but I have been noodling the begeeberz out of it since buying the sim. Seems to react really well to touch and dialing back the volume and tone knobs like a real amp.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 18:53:43
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You can squeeze some good sounds from a POD, but to my ears, it's always let down by the distortion, so I've temporarily abnodned it in favour of a little Blackstar HT-5 + assorted pedals.
The tone is just so much more instantly gratifying
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 19:37:06
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I've been demoing that Blackstar as well Jonesy. Sounds very nice. That and the Class 5. I need a smaller tube amp than my 50 watter.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 19:41:10
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I guess that I have stayed away from amps because of my room stinks and I dont want to mic them. Is there a way around?
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/14 20:40:19
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Close mic with a SM57. It's more of an issue for me to get the tubes cranking with 50w; pretty much ear splitting if you want power tube satiation. I can fudge it by cranking it up on clean, using an overdrive pedal and controlling the volume from the pedal.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/16 16:50:56
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munmun
I guess that I have stayed away from amps because of my room stinks and I dont want to mic them. Is there a way around?
yes, see my original reply.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/20 10:50:30
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I use the POD 2 (red kidneybean) on most of the guitars you hear in my music. Clean to distorted. I prefer to use the POD straight in with it's tone rather than to play it clean and then re-amp. Here's the sound I get clean and disto all guitars are straight to my POD and straight to the interface and into Sonar Greensleeves>>> http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11185701 Emerald Eyes>>> http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9414184
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/20 13:30:02
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Munmun the newer PODs respond and sound much more like real amps. That example you posted is pretty self explanitory.
The POD HD500 is not inexpensive,although compared to a pricey tube amp it's a bargain and compared to buying all the amps it emulates it's a no brainer. It is also an audio interface easily recognized by Sonar. Coupled with a JTV guitar the signal path is all digital into the computer. Good luck on finding something that works well for you. I am not a pro guitar player and I am not any kind of a purist as you can probably tell.This is what works for me but maybe not for you. I don't have anything bad to say about my POD.
Mike I know the feeling of attempting to try something out in a guitar store and being unsuccessful. I think your friend has the right idea. I am seriously considering the DT 25. I don't gig out much with guitar though so I'm not sure the investment would be worth it for me.Very tempting though to have an amp that is class A tube and can change to any kind of amp at the push of a button. I ended up selling my 50 watter because it blew the shingles off my house before I could make it break up.
Probably the first time I have ever heard this "fizz" others have mentioned was the other night when I was playing around with TH2 trying to get something with just a hint of breaking up. It sounded like a freshly poured glass of sprite at the top end. Honestly this is the first time I have heard the "fizz". If this is what you hear then no wonder you don't like simms.
I don't hear that with my POD.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/21 07:55:36
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I've had just about all the pod's since the original one in '99 - and have always used it directly.
Some of them (the XT as mentioned) did not do as much for me. The X3 (that is the one before the HD series which is the newest one) actually did have some quite nice amps for both electric, bass, acoustic and preamps.
And also included was the PodFarm :)
For a small home studio I would say the X3 is quite nice, as you could (easily) get some good tones out of it, and it is so versatile. I think it is easy to use also.
The POD HD series does have better sounds, but I will say you have to use quite some time to get those sounds. It is complex, and less versatile. But I think some of the sounds I get out of it (using my studio monitors) is very good.
(I have a HD500, BTW)
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
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☄ Helpfulby kristoffer 2013/06/24 14:54:42
I had the X3,sold it and bought the HD500...now I wish I had both of them. The X-3 seemed to have more flexibility in certain areas. The X-3 was nothing to laugh at if set up correctly. You can get one of those for a pretty good price now used.
What I like about all the newer Line 6 gear is that it is very similar to software updates in that you can save the old setup,create your own setups to save and then the company is constantly updating the internal memory banks of the PODs....they are taking awhile on this last promise for an update though. Usually it is an improvement and it's simple to connect your unit through their software updater called " Line 6 Monkey"( Daryl would probably like this title)..
The poster mentioned that they record through usb and re amp. I would try recording from the analog ports to see if you notice an improvement.
Kristoffer- Have you tried to edit your HD500 using the computer software that comes with it? I found this to be a much easier method. Similar to editing Amplitube or Guitar Rig. Pull your effects in.. add your cabinets,stomp boxes and place your virtual mics...easy to work with IMO. Taking it a step further I can change the pickups in my virtual guitar software...even space them and select output ranges. The only trick I seem to be hung up on presently is to get that stereo spread I hear on so many other guitar tracks. Even with panning and multiple tracks I seem to have difficulty in getting that effect,at least to the degree I want it.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/24 14:58:57
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Kristoffer- Have you tried to edit your HD500 using the computer software that comes with it? I found this to be a much easier method. Similar to editing Amplitube or Guitar Rig. Pull your effects in.. add your cabinets,stomp boxes and place your virtual mics...easy to work with IMO. Taking it a step further I can change the pickups in my virtual guitar software...even space them and select output ranges. The only trick I seem to be hung up on presently is to get that stereo spread I hear on so many other guitar tracks. Even with panning and multiple tracks I seem to have difficulty in getting that effect,at least to the degree I want it.
Yes, I've been using the "HD500 Edit" as much as I can, it is much easier than the small LCD screen with a bunch of not intuitive (to me....  ) knobs. But when I'm not connected to a computer and want to dial in a killer tone, I'm scre**d....  No, seriously, after some hours with the unit it is fine. But this thing is so advanced I probably don't use more than 10% of its potential.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/24 22:56:49
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There are so many good tools, internal and external. My philosophy is to capture a good performance, maybe w/some kind of a DI/AMP config so you get the resonance of the instrument through an amp "as you play it."
But then there are just so many superior options once it's in to effect it? I think that's the way to go. And if you effect it "on the way in?" Well that cement has dried and yes, that's an imprint of your "insert inappropriate remark here." As for live performance, there are still options "ITB" that you can use live. In the box is the way to go.
However, I could be wrong, and probably am, so please keep that in mind.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/26 16:52:04
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I have the HD500 and DT50 1X12. Together they are awesome. For live work it really is a nice rig. For recording direct the HD500 is pretty good when setup right. It is easy to make it sound bad, but with a lot of tweaking I've got some patches I use some. I bought MixIR and some Redwirez IRs to see if they helped. Some people say it makes all the difference, but I like it just as well using the built in cabs. It's nice to have...I'm keeping it, but I've been thrilled with Amplitube Fender lately. I have a real Twin and the DT50/HD500 and 90% of the time I'll use Amplitube.
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Re: Guitar and bass recording- calling all Line 6 POD users
2013/06/26 19:10:31
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I had a Pocket POD and wasn't real happy with it. Then I picked up the rack mounted POD HD Pro, and I'm liking the sound I'm getting now.
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