How can I mirror the effects processing in this video

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2013/06/14 22:48:32 (permalink)

How can I mirror the effects processing in this video

This youtube user is applying effects to a voice recording he made using Adobe Audition and I'd like to do something similar using Sonar X1 Producer.

(in case the /watch gets removed, the video is called: Creating Radio Jingles in Adobe Audition by SmoshiYashi.)
/watch?v=glNKBU6xEl4
 
I believe the effects he used are:
-Adaptive Noise Reduction
-Dynamic EQ (applied individually to left/right channel, on a stereo track (not sure how that would work out in sonar when all I have is a stereo audio wave file rather than two mono tracks that I could pan EDIT: I split the stereo track into two mono tracks using Tracks>Bounce to Track(s) but, since I have a bunch of stereo tracks to do this to, is this really the most efficient way of dealing with them?)
-3 individually applied presets on a multiband compressor
-Limiter
 
I figure if I go under Process>Apply Effect>Audio Effect I can process the effects directly on the audio, like the guy is doing in his video. I'm just not sure how I can do something similar to his dynamic EQ processing on left and right channel. He seems to be applying a dynamic bandpass filter to the left and right tracks independently, at different frequencies. Is this right? How should I go about doing this?


Does anyone have a kind of voice effect processing tutorial for the kind of thing I'm trying to do that might be more applicable to Sonar rather than Adobe Audition?
post edited by Projarz - 2013/06/14 23:17:36
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    CJaysMusic
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    Re: How can I mirror the effects processing in this video 2013/06/16 10:57:33 (permalink)
    You need an EQ like FAB filter Q that enables you to adjust the left and right channels independently.
     
    I figure if I go under Process>Apply Effect>Audio Effect I can process the effects directly on the audio, like the guy is doing in his video

    no need to use destructive processing. Stay away from printing effects as Sonar is Non destructive. Just insert any effect you want by right clicking in the FX box that is in each track. Then select the effect you want. non need to process the effect, as you wont be able to change its settings.
     
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    Re: How can I mirror the effects processing in this video 2013/06/16 13:12:11 (permalink)
    Pro-Q does allow separate L/R equalization, but that's not the same as using dynamic EQ. For that, you need a dynamic EQ (example). However, you can probably achieve the same result using a multiband compressor such as SONAR's bundled Sonitus Multiband.
     
    There is no bundled equivalent to Audition's adaptive noise reduction, but at the same time it's not something I'd recommend applying by default anyway - only if you have a particularly noisy track, and even then gating or volume automation may do the job just fine.


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    Re: How can I mirror the effects processing in this video 2013/06/17 12:17:53 (permalink)
    Thanks CJ and Bitflipper for your detailed answers.
    On the topic of multiband compressors and not using destructive editing, if I use three instances of the same compressor in the FX box with different settings, I just want to confirm that it should process the effects in chronological order (top to bottom of the box). Is this the case?
     
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    Re: How can I mirror the effects processing in this video 2013/06/17 12:30:35 (permalink)
    Signal flow in the FX bin and ProChannel are top to bottom
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    Re: How can I mirror the effects processing in this video 2013/06/17 12:32:25 (permalink)
    Yes.
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    Re: How can I mirror the effects processing in this video 2013/06/17 13:02:12 (permalink)
    I'm no audio engineer but I would never use his method.  I have audition and still would not use this method. Too much destructive editing.  This is a classic case of the source material just happening to work for the preset.  The material he used was so simple and the noise so basic that a noise gate alone would likely get rid of the hiss without damaging rest of signal.   
     
    Unfortunately Sonar does not have anything like the dynamic EQ.  Honestly, for this particular example, I don't think it's needed.  In short, this workflow cannot be duplicated in Sonar without third party plugins, but you could still achieve the same end.  Ask yourself, what was actually achieved in the video? He basically took a thin sounding VO with a little hiss, cleaned up a little noise and gave it more presence with some EQ and compression.  There are a multitude of ways to do that in Sonar and non-destructively.  I record voiceovers for commercial use in Sonar a lot.  I have used different methods over the years for post processing, but most involve:
     
    1)light gating (using sonitus or pro channel s-gate)
    2) de-essing and plosive softening
    3) leveling compressor
    4) eq
    5) maybe a touch of verb and/or tube saturation
    6) hard limiting
     
    For speed, if I have a good take, I use the VSX-64 and it often works quite nicely.
     
    The bottom line is that exact workflows from product to product will vary.  You can rack your brains trying to convert apples to oranges  or discover how to get similar results with a workflow that fits your program better.
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    Re: How can I mirror the effects processing in this video 2013/06/20 20:03:35 (permalink)
    Thanks a lot dub and scook. I've been thinking along those lines too. I'll try reading more about it and looking at it from a different perspective instead of just trying to change apples into oranges like you say.
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