ARC System 2 - new doubts

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2013/06/21 14:54:12 (permalink)

ARC System 2 - new doubts

Hi, guys,
finally, my Arc system 2 arrived and I'm excited to install it.  I read all I could about ARC there's in the forum but still have some doubts.  I have a real small room (2.2m x 2.2m) full of shelves on the walls; the desk (where all my stuff is: CPU, 2 video monitors between the speakers, the A-300 keyboard, etc.) is in one side of the room behind the wall and there's a bookshelf at the right of the listening point.  The room is small but I have a good space to my chair and to apply the triangular distance to the speakers.  My doubts are:
1) During the setup of the Arc system software do I leave the chair inside the room?
2) Where is the best place to stay positioned during the overall process of measurement?
 
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    ptheisen
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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/21 15:12:40 (permalink)
    1) The chair should stay in the room. The idea is to let ARC "see" the room just the way you will be using it, as much as possible.
    2) When I set up my room, I would crouch down behind the chair while the test tones were being generated, trying to make my body's aural fingerprint in the room as small and inconsequential as possible. Other people may have other ideas about that.
     
    Good luck getting things set up. If you take your time and do it very precisely and correctly, you won't be disappointed. I know that I am very happy with the results I got.
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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/21 15:22:08 (permalink)
    I think that is correct. Leave the furniture as is... you need to move away from the seated position so ARC can properly read the room. One would think you would need to be seated there but apparently not.
     
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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/21 15:38:11 (permalink)
    I'm pretty sure our very own Danny Danzi recently posted a link to his instructions to set ARC up correctly. Worth a search I'd say. I would find it myself but on phone with unreliable signal at the mo.

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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/21 15:52:25 (permalink)
    wizard71
    I'm pretty sure our very own Danny Danzi recently posted a link to his instructions to set ARC up correctly. Worth a search I'd say. I would find it myself but on phone with unreliable signal at the mo.

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    Hi, Bibs,
    I think I've read everything Danny's posted about ARC but didn't find anything about my doubts but Ptheisen and Guitarhacker already helped me a lot.
    Thanks!

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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/21 16:00:42 (permalink)
    FWIW: If you want ARC to read the room as you will using it, why not sit in the chair while taking measurements? You could even try it both ways, save the results and see which works best.
     
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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/21 16:39:26 (permalink)
    bluzdog
    FWIW: If you want ARC to read the room as you will using it, why not sit in the chair while taking measurements? You could even try it both ways, save the results and see which works best.
     
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    Got this off the web so not sure what 1/10 is referring to and have not used the above mentioned analyzer but don't understand what would be gained by not sitting in your chair. Unless the coefficients are so insignificant in relation to other materials as to be of no consequence.
     
    Absorption coefficients
    Miscellaneous surface material
    125 Hz
    250 Hz
    500 Hz
    1 kHz
    2 kHz
    4 kHz
     
    People-adults (per 1/10 person)
    0.25
    0.35
    0.42
    0.46
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    edit....
     
    1= full absorption
    0= full reflection 
    post edited by rabeach - 2013/06/21 17:20:04
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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/21 17:20:54 (permalink)
    ptheisen
    1) The chair should stay in the room. The idea is to let ARC "see" the room just the way you will be using it, as much as possible.
    2) When I set up my room, I would crouch down behind the chair while the test tones were being generated, trying to make my body's aural fingerprint in the room as small and inconsequential as possible. Other people may have other ideas about that.
     
    Good luck getting things set up. If you take your time and do it very precisely and correctly, you won't be disappointed. I know that I am very happy with the results I got.


    Ditto.
    Good question tho.
     
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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/21 17:47:45 (permalink)
    Guys,
    thank you very much for the replies!  Tomorrow will be the big day!! 
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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/21 18:01:38 (permalink)
    So given that the more accurate the measurements are, the better the result, how do you guys go about accurately measuring each point with a chair in the way?
    I need to redo mine as I've moved things around in my studio. My previous effort involved laying an accurately measured grid out on the floor and hovering the mic on a boom stand directly over each point. It does make more sense to leave the chair in the room providing each point can be measured accurately.

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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/21 18:56:22 (permalink)
    wizard71,
    That's exactly what I did, trying to eyeball the mic over the spot on the grid as accurately as possible. If there was nothing between me and the mic and the floor, it was pretty easy to do. If there was something, like the chair, in the way, I would look from two directions 90 degrees apart and a few feet away. I've heard of some people using a plumb bob, which could potentially be slightly more accurate. But the chair would get in the way of that for the close in spots too, so I figured I'd just be as consistent and accurate as possible by eye.
     
    To make my grid, I cut up shiny return address stickers (everybody must have a few hundred of those lying around that they received unsolicited) into squares and stuck them to the floor according to my measurements. This made it pretty easy to visualize the vertical alignment.
     
    It worked for me!
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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/22 01:39:43 (permalink)
    When I setup my ARC 2 system I moved my mixing chair out of the way as that seemed to make sense.  From what I understood of the instructions, you want the mic to be where your head is at least for the first measurement and then you move the mic out to each side equal distances etc. for the other measurements.
     
    I made a grid on the floor with a measuring tape and then marked measurement points with a black dot, then I taped a laser pointer to the microphone aiming down.  I used a microphone stand to hold the mic (the manual mentions doing this) and got the stand as out of the way as possible, that is to say the arm of the stand was perpendicular to my speakers (I kept his perpendicular orientation for all the measurements).  I would then move the whole stand etc. and while using the laser I could get the mic into the correct position easily.
     

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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/22 07:50:06 (permalink)
    I did mine the same way except I used a plumb bob as I don't have a laser pointer.

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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/22 08:54:20 (permalink)
    As I recall, ARC lets you run as many set up's as you wish. And you can save them all with unique names.
     
    So yeah, do several and do with and without you in the chair. I really don't think the difference will be that much.

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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/06/22 10:56:41 (permalink)
    I'd remove the chair from the room for ARC, just for convenience while moving the mic stand around. Unless you have one of those giant high-backed overstuffed leather executive office chairs, it won't have a significant effect compared to the room's contribution. (It will, however, skew your perception of some high frequencies, so a plain low-back office chair is preferable at the mix desk.)
     
    Your own body is pretty absorbent and will have a greater influence than the chair, so it might seem to make sense to have it be part of the snapshot, but it really won't make that much difference. Your body does absorb sound, but because it's at the same location in the room as your ears it has little effect on how you perceive sound. You're more interested in the effect of objects far enough away to reflect significantly delayed sound waves: the floor, ceiling, walls, and large objects such as couches and bookshelves.


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    Re: ARC System 2 - new doubts 2013/07/03 20:10:00 (permalink)
    I leave the chair in the room, but move it straight back from the mix position just far enough to be able to move the mic stand around. I then try to get behind the chair during measurements, but that 3 second countdown does not provide enough time to crouch (would really like to know how to increase that). If I try to hurry I sometimes end up bumping the mic stand.
     
    To position the mic I use a tape measure to set the distance from the "C" in the Focal logo on the monitors and write the measurements down so I can repeat them with the door opened and closed. Making small adjustments to the mic position this way is tedious, but it works.
     
    I also compare the uncorrected ARC 2 measurements to ones taken with Room EQ Wizard to see if they are similar. The size of the grid in ARC 2 exaggerates the peaks and dips somewhat, but is a good indicator of certain problems if they are really far off from the REW results.

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