X1 exporting entire mix with more precise start/end point?

Hi all. New to forums but have been lurking as a user of X1 Producer for the last couple of years. I am a 95% happy ex-Logic and ex-Cubase convert and firmly believe the right DAW is a personal workflow/ inspiration choice for the individual. Sonar just fits my brain map perfectly so has been a great choice for me...
 
Except one small thing is bugging me... when I want to export a mix at the end of a project it seems I have to hold down and drag across the timeline once I have selected the tracks (which in itself seems a completely arbitrary step as I would mute what I didn't want to export...) but in order to select the time value implementing this method my window has to be shrunk down to such a degree that I cannot get satisfactory accuracy on my start and end points. So I zoom in to the resolution required but then I am dragging across for what seems like an age holding the mouse down until I get to the other end, sometimes having to try several times as my finger releases pressure from the mouse and forces me to start again.
 
Now this seems CRAZY to me so I assume I am missing some obvious functionality, yet the manual has offered me no solutions... surely I can't be the only person finding this a problem? Surely not everyone using X1 is exporting with a few seconds of silence at the beginning and the end and then having to trim down their mix in another editing platform? All I want is some accuracy on my start and end points, not a big demand for any DAW.
 
Now, I understand it defaults to the longest track length if no timeline is highlighted but this is no good either as obviously much of the time there are processing tails to consider.
 
Is there no way to create markers or loop points and then instruct the program to export between these values? This is the logical way to do it if you want any timing accuracy whatsoever. What have I missed?
 
Thanks all!
 

There is a select module and marker modules in the tool bar that might be useful. Set select from and thru times in the select module. Or you could use the Select From and Select Through functions in the Edit menu. Add markers in the marker module then jump to a marker, set the appropriate selection option the jump to the next marker and perform the rest of the select.

One of the reasons that mastering is easier using a wave editor. 
If you interested in "mastering" try a wave editor like Wave Lab Elements or a fee one like Audacity. Chopping the beginning and ending is very precise with no guess work. 
 
Another trick is to highlight the whole project with CNTLA and drag all the tracks, but now your measures are all off kilter, So don't save this. 

Is it not as simple as...... edit > select all > export audio in X1 ?
 
That's all I ever do (8.5PE) and it's always fine.

I usually leave a few open measures at the beginning of my songs.  I also, usually do the edit, select all method.  Once everything is selected and highlighted.  I click on the point that I would like the song to start, maybe a couple of 1/4 notes early (could be a marker) and then go back to edit select and chose the start at now, selection.  You can actually go back and select "though" or an end point as well.  That way I am choosing the start and end times of my project.  If you have any delays that carry on past the song, you need to listen in advance as to how far they carry out, before placing an end marker at that point.

When you zoom all the way out, you can make precise edits to the start and end of each song.
 
Then Click the Clip > Export > Audio.  Its that simple!! Its very simple and precise
 
Cj

Fatherjohn
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Is there no way to create markers or loop points and then instruct the program to export between these values? This is the logical way to do it if you want any timing accuracy whatsoever. What have I missed?
 
Thanks all!
 

3 ways I know of:
 
1. Create markers where you want them.
    In the Markers Module click the arrow to find the 1st one.
    In the Selection Module click the start button.
    Go back to the Markers Module and locate the finish marker.
    In the Selection Module click the End button.
    Now drag-select all the tracks by clicking on the track numbers.
 
2. Use (or make) a clip that has end points where you want them as a gauge.
    Select it.
    Now drag-select all the tracks by clicking on the track numbers.
 
3. Crop the project at the points desired and save it as a new or sequential project.
    Then drag-select all the tracks by clicking on the track numbers.
 
You can move the 2 modules together to expedite this process. 
 
Steve
 
 
P.S. Instead of dragging the track numbers you can also click Track 1, hold shift, and click the last track to select the tracks.

As others have said, there is no need for click and drag to make the selection. Just add a start and end marker to your project. Then open the markers view, select the two markers and export. You can edit the markers location as precisely as you want.

Welcome to the forum!  What a great first post!  You got some nice responses and we all learn from your thread.  

cecelius2
Welcome to the forum!  What a great first post!  You got some nice responses and we all learn from your thread.  

+1   I never use the Markers view so would have never known that method exists.  I haven't particularly needed it, but it's nice to have another alternative.
 

paulo

scook

paulo
Is it not as simple as...... edit > select all > export audio in X1 ?
 
That's all I ever do (8.5PE) and it's always fine.

It can be, if selecting everything is what you want to do. It would appear that is not the goal of this exercise.

 
Maybe I'm being thick here, but the OP stated that he wanted an easy way to select all his non-muted tracks and export his mix at the exact length of the project including the processing tails. When I do this, that is what happens.
 
Why does it feel like you are always looking over my shoulder ? ;)

Interesting - so assuming you've understood I didn't want to drag/ hold and had not yet the knowledge of combining the selection and markers tools to achieve what I want, how exactly would Sonar recognise the project length in your scenario? By the longest track? If so how is it detecting the exact appropriate FX decay time? Maybe I'm missing something else?

Fatherjohn
 
 
Interesting - so assuming you've understood I didn't want to drag/ hold and had not yet the knowledge of combining the selection and markers tools to achieve what I want, how exactly would Sonar recognise the project length in your scenario? By the longest track? If so how is it detecting the exact appropriate FX decay time? Maybe I'm missing something else?

As Bristol Jonesy says. If the longest track /clip is the same as where you want it to cut off that's where it will cut off. Works for me. My first response was a question if you read it. Maybe X series is different, but I'm guessing probably not.

Bristol_Jonesey
Project length will be determined by the last event written to the file.
 

Sure, as I would expect - so basic exporting as instructed by some replies would NOT have solved my issue as it does not take FX tails etc into account unless you stretch your events to accommodate them. That's the point I was making.
 
Anyway, my query was resolved elsewhere in the thread so I'm a happy user again.

Indeed, I read all the posts carefully. I wasn't referring to yours. Anyway issue solved, thanks all.

You can also set the freeze tail duration by right clicking the freeze buttons.