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2013/06/26 14:42:00 (permalink)

OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar....Bought it

Hi,
I think I'm going to buy this Epiphone AlleyKat. Anyone with experience with this guitar?
 

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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/06/26 15:10:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zonno 2013/06/28 13:06:16
It is a nice looking guitar.
 
I haven't played one but I've read many excellent reviews about it.
 
Without the Bigsby like the Wildkat is cool...I'd probably enjoy either.
 
I think the combination of the mini HB and the '57 is a good setup.
I've read it was built like a tank with a great playing neck.
 
Not sure I'd like the volume location but no biggy and I'd check the
nut which is probably the only issue and detail I'd be concerned with.
 
 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/06/26 16:36:32 (permalink)
Spacey, thanks for your comments. And I will check the nut.

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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/06/27 08:27:17 (permalink)
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Spacey, thanks for your comments. And I will check the nut (on the guitar).


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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/06/27 08:31:23 (permalink)
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Zonno
Spacey, thanks for your comments. And I will check the nut (on the guitar).

Fixed.


Thanks for fixing my nut.

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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/06/27 08:59:59 (permalink)
Having a cool looking guitar is obviously a plus.... but... more importantly, how does it sound?
 

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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/06/27 09:08:10 (permalink)
Don't know yet. I'll try it Saturday. I found this one on our local version of Ebay. The seller reserved it for me.
 
 

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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/06/27 10:02:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zonno 2013/06/28 13:06:34
How does it sound?....well I'll go out on a limb with that...
 
With that pup combination you'll be able to cover a lot of ground...from jazz to ear splittin' loud n boomers.
Unless those pups are made wrong and I doubt that or somebody messed with the controls.
And being a Korean make a re-wire with some quality pots ( a few dollars) and that baby should sing
nice if it doesn't already.
 
If I turn out to be wrong....have at it. :)
 
 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/01 14:51:11 (permalink)
Last Saterday I tried and bought the Alleycat.
 
It is indeed a very well build guitar with a lovely playable neck and low action.
Now it also sounds good. I like the neck pickup, the mini humbucker. Very rich tone.
The bridge pickup I like a little less. To me it has too much mid , and no low or high, though I haven't tried it yet on a serious amp. 
 
I know I have to do some work on this guitar. The Treble/Rhythm swith is faulty, I don't trust the tone pot because it doesn't roll of high frequencies the way I expect it, and I don't trust the pot of the bridge pickup.
I don't mind doing some work on this guitar since it iwas only €270. So I'm thinking of replacing all electronics except for the mini humbucker.
Problem is I don't have any experience replacing pots and pickups and I don't know what type and brand pots I should order.
I also don't know what bridge pickup I should choose for this guitar. 
 

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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/01 16:29:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zonno 2013/07/02 05:18:23
It is a tricky job but doable.
Tricky being all the fishing.
 
CTS pots and shaft choice is length and knob type (split shaft or not). Value is commonly 500k for
double coil pups. (250k for singles- think Gibson and Fender lol)
 
Stew has good material at reasonable prices and also some pertinent info.
Seymour has something that may help you with the sound you're after.
 
If you go for it at least there are plenty here to help you.
 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/01 16:35:44 (permalink)
Working on the electronics of a hollow body for your first outing will either make you or break you.
 
Does it have an access hatch on the back or are you going to have to go in through the F Holes and Pickup cavities?
 
 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/02 05:18:05 (permalink)
It has some access possibilities on the backside. It will still be difficult to reach the tone pot.
Maybe I'll need help from a 3 year old kid, whose hands can reach through these accesss holes.
So first priority is to find the child........
There's also the possibility of fishing the new pots into the holes with a wire.
 


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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/02 07:18:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2013/07/02 07:49:30
No you don't need small hands.
You need to tie string to all the pots so when
you pull them out  (probably through the bridge pup hole) and replace whatever
you're replacing you can then pull them back to their location.
 
A few things to watch out for; The ground wire from bridge and not to pull to hard because wires may be secured to a keepers inside the body- you may need a small mirror to determine.
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/02 07:50:47 (permalink)
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No you don't need small hands.
You need to tie string to all the pots so when
you pull them out  (probably through the bridge pup hole) and replace whatever
you're replacing you can then pull them back to their location.
 
A few things to watch out for; The ground wire from bridge and not to pull to hard because wires may be secured to a keepers inside the body- you may need a small mirror to determine.



Now that is a cool tip!

 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/02 08:55:24 (permalink)
There are parts of a job like this that following little tips
can be very important for a job well done.
 
I'll share some thoughts for consideration;
 
1. I want it done right the first time and I want it done so that there is nothing but the results I was after to indicate that anything was done.
What that means to this job is- I don't want one mark made on the instrument or the components. That means down to the screws- I don't want that screwdriver slipping and marking the head of the screws...more less slipping and marking the finish. I don't want one mark on the finish of the guitar because I didn't protect it and drug or dropped something on it.
 
2. I want to know what every wire is- where it's coming from and going to and it's purpose before messing with them. ( pictures come in handy)
 
3. The pups- how they're wired. Their polarity. Not all pickups are created equal and not all color coded the same with their wiring. That's a biggy when it comes to . Some have two,three and four wires and one has to know why.
 
4. Knowing about the pots, switches and capacitors. How they work, types of and how to wire them.
 
5. I don't want accidents or trouble because I didn't think about something and screwed things up.
I know that with a job like this I have to understand or be ready to learn about the components and how to make soldering connections correctly, perform it without incident and do it right the first time.
To have patience. Stop when I know there are questions and I don't have the answers.
 
 
Taking things apart such as the output jack and not knowing how to install it is not a way to perform the task. Questions such as: How I do I tighten it back up after I fish it back to it's location? Will it try to turn when I tighten on the nut? Can it break the wiring solder connections if it turns? How do I hold backup to stop it from turning? If one can't answer...get the answers before doing the job.
Every step has questions. One must know and understand the questions and then the answer that works for you can be used.
So every step of the job needs to be known.
All questions to each step need an answer that answers it correctly. ( that answer can be different for folks- not everybody does things the same way)
 
Sometimes all the questions aren't known. They arise during the job. Maybe something like: Which hole is the best to pull the components out that will make it easy to do the task and then fish them back to their location? Maybe you thought the bridge pickup hole before you started and found out that for some of the controls it would be easier to go throught the "f" hole because of wire anchors attached inside the body. That is when patience and awareness can make or break your performance.
 
I'll stop. Sorry for the wind but I hope it's a nice breeze. I'm at work and did this quick but mistakes and bad grammer probably would have been made anyway :)
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/02 09:10:08 (permalink)
Sounds like a good deal.
 
I used to play 95% of the time on the neck pickup on my SG for the same reason..... it sounded so fat and righteous. Slam that through a mesa tube circuit and it was liquid gold coming out of the speakers.

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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/02 09:11:01 (permalink)
I have some questions for you Zonno.
 
What size of soldering iron is "right" for this job?
What type of solder do you use?
Do you need any special tools that will help perform the tasks?
Why do some humbuckers have two wires and some have four?
Are all the four wire humbuckers from different manufacturers color coded the same?
Do you know what all the four wires are for?
Are all humbuckers the same size? If not, how are they sized and why?
 
You don't have to answer....but you probably need to know the answers.
 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/03 06:02:16 (permalink)
Thanks Spacey, you put me to the test....
Sometimes I wish I just could could bring the guitar away to a good guitarbuiler and let him do the job. But there are not many around, and I don't know whom to trust. Besides, I want to learn something from this.
 
I understand now more than ever it needs careful investigation, preparation and planning. It will take a couple of weeks before I begin this project. And I will get help from Leo, a friend of mine who has a lot of experience replacing electronics and pickups. 
 
I do have experience soldering and I do have an adjustable soldering station. I admit I do not know about guitar pots, pickup and schematics. So I will have to investigate.
I also found that a lot of useful information is out there that answers some of your questions, Like this:
 
So you helped me. I'll keep you posted......

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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/03 06:16:08 (permalink)
Thank Buddah I never tried to replace pick ups myself.

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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/03 07:19:16 (permalink)
 
I use my 2 wire/4 wire guideline: I have no interest in a humbucker that requires extra wires for use as a contingency plan just in case the humbucker sound sucks so bad that someone might want to see how bad a single coil of it can sound.
 
I grew up during the era where work shops made the very worst sounding hum buckers of all time... and then they wired them up to sound horrible.
 
I am glad that someone remembered how good a pickup can sound and decided to re invigorate the traditional recipe.
 
If you confine your choices to "2 wire" humbuckers... the wiring is a lot less confusing.   ;-)
 
I don't trust the color codes 100%. I like hoping they are correct but I've encountered exceptions that leave me wanting to investigate further before I make any conclusions about which lead is going where.
 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/03 08:37:41 (permalink)
The last build I posted had a neck humbucker with a vol/coil splitter (push pull)
and during his sound check the owner was nothing but smiles.
It gave him the "quack" that the Tele wouldn't have had without it.
There are good reasons to having a 4wire HB and that's why we have them.
 
Very cool Zonno that you're not alone and have the interests. Best to you with it all.
 
 
 
For what's it worth..just something to think about..
I'd consider moving that master vol back to the other controls and filling
the space with at least a coil split and maybe a 3 way ....I'll let you trace down
what a 3 way would get you :)
 
 
 
 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/03 08:42:08 (permalink)
The unique sounds of the different neck position pickups can certainly inspire a desire to have more than one to choose from!
 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/03 09:36:32 (permalink)
Why is it, the more I read English written from someone in the Netherlands, it is more accurate than most of the Americans I know?
 
I worked on a remote media player phone app with someone from there and it was the same thing.  I wish the "locals" cared more about how they communicate!
 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/03 09:39:47 (permalink)
Craigb, I think it may have something to do with using their intelligence for something other than watching the Jersey Shore.  I could be wrong about that, though.
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/03 09:54:08 (permalink)
Congrats Zonno on the new guitar!!
 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/03 19:48:23 (permalink)
Enablesr...  you and Rain.
 
I hope you love it. I've been wanting a good Tele. I'm in the process of talking myself into it and of course a new amp. Maybe a Blues Jr. or a Deluxe Reverb RI, or a Princeton... maybe an AC-something, maybe a new Line-6 tube combo. A dobro and a banjo.... an SM-7. There is always so much I want. I see these posts and it fires me up.
Seriously... congrats. It looks sweet.
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/04 06:31:36 (permalink)
Julien, it works both ways. Now that I have THE Les Paul I wanted, I'm looking at my Strat thinking that she'd at least deserve a bit of attention before I officially retire her.
 
This morning also, I even found myself looking at Teles.
 
And I'm also checking out little tiny amps - no tubes or nothing, just little travel things. I might grab one of those small $100-ish Orange or Fender or Marshall...
 

 

 
Or, what looks like potentially the most interesting (and it comes in red too):
 

 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/04 07:22:17 (permalink)
I had to start with (not this one but the model before) this.
Probably a mistake because now I have over 22 micro amps.
 
The Marshall is the only one with 10". Now that I have so many
with under 6" speakers I'll probably start collecting the mini ones with
10/12".
 
Like this and this.
 
 
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Re: OT: I think it is a nice looking guitar.... 2013/07/05 23:20:29 (permalink)
That Blackstar looks sweet!

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