A mixing breakthrough last night

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2013/06/30 06:29:41 (permalink)

A mixing breakthrough last night

I have struggled to produce a decent mix for years.  Like most my struggle has been with tonal balance across the frequency spectrum.  I have been like a dog on a bone with my latest recording.  Determined to get it right.  Given the limitations of my listening environment, skill and mixing talent, I may have found a new way to diagnose my mixes that certainly worked for me this time.
 
First I set the levels and got to a comparable place with my reference track.  Next eq, compression, panning, automation, all that stuff.
 
But I could still hear issues.  The mix was muddy with competing frequencies and not wide open as it should be.  So I set an eq on the master bus with a lo pass filter at 250Hz.  So I could hear only low end.  In my reference recording, in order of loudness, it was bass and kick equal followed by vocals, snare and then guitars.  In my recording the vocals were second to the bass.  So I created a shelf under 250hz on the vocals and lowered it till it was placed correctly.  Next I raised the kick within this band till it was placed right versus the bass and I could feel the thump.
 
Next I moved to 250hz-400hz.  A delicate region where I usually get things wrong.  Versus my reference, the bass was too loud and the guitar wasn't the driving force.  Similar tweaks.  You get the idea.  One very revealing region was 2k-8k.  Versus, my reference the cymbals and high hats were too loud.  They dominated the region and were masking the guitars and vocals.  I created a lo shelf on the cymbals and hi-hats and suddenly the clouds parted.  My mid range was much more defined.
 
What I found with this way of diagnosing my mix was that when you are working on an eq band like this, only use eq and not the track fader to lower and raise stuff.  You cannot use the track fader because it affects the entire mix which you cannot hear.
 
Anyway long night and I am satisfied.  Here is the mix.  It isn't perfect.  For a few reasons (muting a bunch of tracks that were panned across the spectrum), the panning is lop sided.  The kick may need some more oomph too.  But it translates in my car which is a very unforgiving environment.  One day I'll get to the panning but for now I am going to go and celebrate Canada Day!
 
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    Re: A mixing breakthrough last night 2013/06/30 10:29:53 (permalink)
    Good method.  I'll listen to the song shortly.
     
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    Re: A mixing breakthrough last night 2013/06/30 13:43:23 (permalink)
    The vox seem a tad muddy to me and the rhythm guitars may be a tad overbearing (but the guitars may be just a taste thang Sunny).
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    Re: A mixing breakthrough last night 2013/06/30 16:25:57 (permalink)
    Much better than what you've done before. My only crits would be...the encoding killed this a bit and brought on that swirly artifact. We also have a little sssssss in the high end on the vocals and the cymbals. A little low passing would straighten that out. I'd also get that one guitar out of the center pan field so it doesn't mess with the other "center pan" instruments. But this is way better than some your other attempts...nice job. :)
     
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    Re: A mixing breakthrough last night 2013/07/17 00:13:59 (permalink)
    munmun - thanks for your opening post here. Good description of the problem and your approach. I'm going to keep this in mind on my next mix.

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    Re: A mixing breakthrough last night 2013/07/18 02:04:15 (permalink)
    I like it and will certainly try it out!

    I came up with a similar trick to combat masking. Use a very narrow band pass and slowly work your way up the spectrum and see when the focus of one instrument begins and another ends. It becomes really easy this way to hear when two instruments share competing frequencies and which one should be shifted slightly upwards and which slightly downwards to creat separation. You should nearly always be able to hear where it wants to be moved naturally, so let it go there are don't fight it! (That's a rule made to be broken of course!!)


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    Re: A mixing breakthrough last night 2013/07/24 00:07:47 (permalink)
    Awesome thoughts, mix, and performance(s)!
     
    The 1st 2 minutes of the mix is verily one of the most refreshing I've encountered (on my Adams) ... Albeit, after 2 minutes the vibe seems depleted slightly ... IMHO.  But I can't pin-point why.
     
    I too like a low shelf on hats ... which affords me more clang than chime.

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