rocadani
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JAVA ISSUE? SOLVED (was start up issue)
Hey all, I have one project that overdrives the CPU, pops and cracks loud, but only maybe half the time I open it up and for no apparent reason. Other Projects still work fine. I also have this issue with Java which causes Norton antivirus to alert about an update each time I open the computer, and even though I have carefully loaded the latest version of Java, Java keeps prompting for an update each time I start the computer up. This time I started the computer, opened x2, started the project that sometimes crashes, project was crashing and pops and cracks with CPU over-driven, and noticed that Java was again doing it's annoying prompts for and update. I Clicked off the Norton alert, cancelled the Java prompt and presto! No more crash. I'm not sure I have truly found the problem because ONLY ONE of my project does this peculiar behavior, and I have not tried this start up sequence and repeated the procedure again yet to test it. Just wondering if anyone else has this problem with Java and if you think it may be somehow interfering with ONLY one of my projects? Or do you suspect something else is amiss? Thanks, Ron
post edited by rocadani - 2013/07/02 22:31:44
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 12:42:10
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I doubt java is causing problems with your SONAR project. Norton might be affecting SONAR though. As far as java tripping Norton, when installed, java loads a program that automatically checks for updates called jusched.exe. You can turn off jusched or alter the frequency of the checks via the java control panel Updarte tab. Deselecting "Check for Updates Automatically" will kill the jusched process. The Advanced button the the right of that check box opens a dialog to alter the check frequency and time.
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dlion16
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 12:49:17
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asaik, unless you're on an enterprise server or other corporate setting, you don't need java. you do need javascript. my sonar pc does not have java. i would uninstall it. as for norton, i believe it is one of the worst .. let's just say you would be better served by avast free, it doesn't interfere... uninstall norton and install avast. my best advice...
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rocadani
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 12:55:39
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Skook ,(Agreed that project problem looks unrelated to java.) Dlion16, I unfortunately don't have a dedicated sonar pc, so the whole family uses it and I have a program that does use java. Is avast as effective an anti virus? Norton does seem to get bad press here.
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scook
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 12:57:55
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The antivirus supplied with Windows is a decent alternative too.
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 13:06:33
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At one time Norton was notorious for being a resource hog. But for the last year or two they have come a long way and are considered one of the best out there as far as virus protection. Which virus protection software is the best, paid for or free? It's up for debate all over the internet. Here's an article you might find useful: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/best_free_antivirus_2013 [edit]spelling[/edit]
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 13:07:21
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When you are about to do some Sonar work you could disable Java in your startup programs. You might even be able to create a user account on the computer that does this automatically but I'm not sure. If the machine is being used for heavy internet use yes Avast is probably the best. Be sure to take a good hard look at the Avast settings though because there is some stuff in there that likes to call home and you'll want to disable Avast sounds (unless you like having a creepy chick's voice yammering at you ever couple hours). Microsoft Security Essentials though is quite good as well and lighter than Avast.
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rocadani
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 13:38:18
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CPU usage seems fine with Norton on. I doubt Norton is causing the crash deal in only one program. I did find and change update calender to Sundays only for all programs.
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Grem
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 13:52:32
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At the very least, before you use Sonar, you can go to the msconfig utility and turn off all start up programs, restart your PC, then make some music. After you finished and want to let the rest of the family back on the PC go back and put all the startup programs back on, restart and it's all done.
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 14:03:07
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rocadani CPU usage seems fine with Norton on. I doubt Norton is causing the crash deal in only one program. I did find and change update calender to Sundays only for all programs.
Even your AV definition updates? You might want leave that turned on to automatic and just turn it off before a session (remember to turn it back on though). Once a week isn't enough for that kind of thing but it can interfere with system resources. You just don't want a new virus to slip through between updates. Program and OS updates once a week are fine though.
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 14:36:03
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These days you don't need to install any 3rd party antivirus - the Windows one is absolutely fine.
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 18:03:23
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dlion16 ...as for norton, i believe it is one of the worst .. let's just say you would be better served by avast free, it doesn't interfere... uninstall norton and install avast. my best advice...
Exactly what I did as well. +1
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rocadani
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 18:08:46
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Changed update calendar to start up as before, saved a version of the project that does not crash, (which I don't know why does not crash), and I don't know how to temporarily diasable Java yet, but I'll figure it out. Thanks everyone!
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 22:27:08
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I just discovered a clue to the elusive crash anomaly. When I open this particular project by going to the windows start button, then highlight Sonar X2, then select this project from the drop down menu of recently opened projects, it is crashing upon open! If instead I open Sonar FIRST, then click the open tab within Sonar and select the project ... no problem.? Weird but true. I really like x2 and this is no big deal and probably due to my set up and its multiple uses. Any one else see this happen before?
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/06/30 22:35:37
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I always open projects after launching SONAR. You might want to try opening the project in safe mode and try disabling plug-ins one at a time to see if one of them is taking SONAR down.
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/07/01 00:02:42
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sorry if I missed this because I did skim through a few posts but I would run a virus scan before anything to rule out a virus. then I would remove Norton, you may need to download the Norton removal tool and install free avast. its very light and you barely know its running in the backround. even if you shut Norton off to temp/ disable it for using sonar it still has processes that run in the back round, well so do other AV's but not like Norton, its a resource pig. I use it on one computer in my house, my 7 year old daughters, because she is constantly clicking on trash links to kids games. ive set up parental controls for her machine but still, some of those links are ones she clicks on from inside another web application, "danger will robinson "
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/07/02 18:40:33
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Norton does not need to be running when you are working with SONAR and should be closed. It will also help performance a bit to disable networking on your DAW computer (then you won't need an AV all the time) and only enable it as needed. As for Java, if you have something like Room EQ Wizard installed, then you need Java. You should disable Java's automatic update options in the control panel (plus disable it in your startup options), as well as anything else that runs automatic updates (Windows Update, cCleaner, etc...) so it isn't trying to check for and possibly download updates while you are working on music.
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/07/02 21:31:04
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rocadani I just discovered a clue to the elusive crash anomaly. When I open this particular project by going to the windows start button, then highlight Sonar X2, then select this project from the drop down menu of recently opened projects, it is crashing upon open! If instead I open Sonar FIRST, then click the open tab within Sonar and select the project ... no problem.? Weird but true. I really like x2 and this is no big deal and probably due to my set up and its multiple uses. Any one else see this happen before?
That sounds like you have a corrupt file in your jump list folder. The files listed as you describe are technically called jump lists, and are not the files that they say they are. They are not even standard Windows shortcuts to those files, but rather entries in another file that lists recent document locations for a given program. If one of those files is corrupted, it can point the program to a bad location and fail to open the program with the file loaded, which is how it is supposed to work. You can see the files by typing %AppData%\Microsoft\Windows\Recent\AutomaticDestinations into the start menu search box or into the address box of windows explorer. Unfortunately the files are named in machine readable gobbledygook, one unintelligibly named file for each program. You can poke around inside the files by opening them in a text editor to see if you can find a clue about which is the one for Sonar. Or move all of the files to another location leaving that folder empty, then open and save a project in sonar to see which file will be re-written, then erase the file with the same name from the new location and move the others back. That should render the jump list for Sonar empty and preserve the other jump lists. Or you can erase all the files and lose all your jump lists and start again. Or you can just stop opening files from Sonar's jump list which is by far the safest and easiest solution. At any rate, the fact that you can open the project from within Sonar indicates that it is not a corrupt project. You should also be able to open it by double clicking the project file itself, and if you were to create a shortcut to the project file, that shortcut should work as well. None of those actions depend on the jump list system. I suspect that all the activity you see when you click that filename in the jump list is Windows trying vainly to scan various locations for the file that should be referenced in a good jump list file.
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rocadani
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/07/02 22:35:40
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Agreed that issue is not a corrupt project. It runs fine when started within Sonar. Took advice on changing Java update. Also disable Norton when doing music. Thanks for the insightful replies. Ron
- SONAR X3e build 352 - Windows 7 Home Edition (Service pack 1) - Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) Quad CPU Q8400 @ 2.66 GHz 2.67 GHz - Installed memory (RAM) 4.00 GB - - MAUDIO DELTA 1010lt - 1 SURE mic - acoustic guitar (Ibenez purchased at pawn shop $30.00 30 years ago) - System type: 64-bit - and running Norton Internet Anti Virus
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/07/03 04:42:41
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Much good advice here, but would just like to add that I use Norton here, and have never had an issue with it. Runs fine in the background, whatever I'm doing. If I have clients in, or am tracking something important, I will disable Norton, but not because it has caused any problems in the past, but just to be on the safe side.
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/07/03 15:04:29
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I'll say it again, Norton has come a long way in the last several years. The program is NOT the resource hog it once was. It is on par with the free av versions, if not better than some.
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/07/03 15:15:44
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I think some people are a little out of date with the whole Norton bashing. I keep reading it here.
It's like some of the windows tweaks you see mentioned that haven't been needed for several versions.
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Grem
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Re: JAVA ISSUE?
2013/07/03 21:27:35
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jb101 I think some people are a little out of date with the whole Norton bashing. I keep reading it here.
It's like some of the windows tweaks you see mentioned that haven't been needed for several versions.
Exactly!!
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