TH2 effects on/off

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2013/07/02 21:23:17 (permalink)

TH2 effects on/off

When I'm using a TH2 effect on my lead guitar solo it has backing noise and hiss which is part of the effect, especially if it's a crunch or distortion. When the solo is finished, how do I eliminate the TH2 effect to rid the noise on rest of the guitar track? The TH2 effect stays on during the whole track start to finish. I know I can mute the TH2 manually when needed but that's not going to work when I save the project. Suggestions?
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    Beepster
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/02 21:30:23 (permalink)
    There is a very effective gate in the global Master section of TH2. It should be set every time especially with distortion (I believe this is mentioned in the manual). Just adjust it until the hiss just barely goes away with your guitar turned up to recording level but with your hand muting the strings. Your effected signal will still be nice and full.
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/02 21:34:59 (permalink)
    The TH2 has an effective noise gate built into the master panel that might help. As far as turning the plug-in off and on, TH2 does not have that feature. You can put it in a FX chain with does have an enable/disable capability. There are other ways such as split up the track and put TH2 in the clip effects bins or break the guitar track into multiple tracks or use sends.
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/02 21:36:24 (permalink)
    Must be getting slow. Usually I refresh to see if someone has already posted before committing my post. Did not do that this time.
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/02 21:37:29 (permalink)
    Heh. That was near simultaneous. ;-)
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/02 21:38:15 (permalink)
    The TH2 Master gate can be automated too.
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/02 21:43:09 (permalink)
    Thanks for you're help, will try those suggestions...and update on my progress soon...
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/02 21:44:02 (permalink)
    In general I like TH2, but I think their gate sucks. I don't use much distortion (a little crunch), so it works fine for me. Once you've recorded a track automate the fader - start off with volume off, bring it up before solos & down after.

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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/02 21:45:25 (permalink)
    I do not use the gate stomp box but do use the gate setting in the master panel.
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/02 21:52:29 (permalink)
    It just needs to be set very very carefully. One little bit too much or too little and yeah... it won't be so great. It is a very hard gate.
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/03 04:30:37 (permalink)
    As well as using a gate with any amp sim, I tend to trim any periods of silence by splitting the clips.

    I do this on most audio clips, in fact.

    Sometimes I use the PC 4K Gate before the amp sim too.

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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/03 06:16:56 (permalink)
    There are several ways...A Track Volume Envelope, inserted at the Clips pane in the track view. allows you to place dots on the line and lower the volume off at points where you have the noise in blank areas of the track. However when you insert an envelope it is there and does not allow you to use the fader in the mix area of the tune.
     
    I prefer to just do a "Split" on the track, right before the solo, and right after the solo. Highlight the track or tracks you want to split, right click and "Split", the track. Then highlight, right click, and "Cut" the areas where you want silence. Afterwards, you can then fine tune by dragging the track to the first and last note of the solo. If for some reason you want this to be a full length track even with the blank areas? After you cut all the unwanted areas out of the track, Bounce it to a new track, and that will fix that. This method doesn't invlove having the envelope control the fader.
     
    The Gate in the Master Pane of the TH2 can help a bit, but as mentioned it is a hard gate and can interrupt the effect if not carefully adjusted.
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/03 07:56:14 (permalink)
    In reference to rsinger, how do you "automate the fader"? I tried a couple things, but not sure about the steps....
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/03 09:53:37 (permalink)
    He is talking about using a volume envelope. There are a couple of videos about automation in X2 at Cake TV.
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/03 15:23:52 (permalink)
    Yeah, the volume envelope.

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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/03 15:28:43 (permalink)
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    It just needs to be set very very carefully. One little bit too much or too little and yeah... it won't be so great. It is a very hard gate.



    I was using the master panel, but, as you say, it's a very hard gate. I wasn't really careful with it, just played with it a bit and wasn't real happy with it. Although it seems to work fine at lower settings if the amps aren't too distorted.

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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/03 15:53:39 (permalink)
    The stuff I've done is very heavily distorted and until I found that Master panel and the gate I was like "WTF? This is useless!" because of the crazy noise. Once I got at that gate though and figured out how to set it properly things were fine. It will however cut off lead ins and ring outs to notes if not set perfectly for what's being played so I set it based on the part about to be recorded.
     
    scook does have me thinking about automation though but perhaps in a different way than is his intention. I usually trim everything anyway so I realize now after I do that I could ease up on the gate a bit but if there ends up being small sections of "silence" I could just boost it back up again at those points. For the most part though when I'm playing at those kinds of screecher levels I'm relentless so there won't be much silence in the first place.
     
    I do need to figure out the right Post/Pre settings for my fades in regards to the FX bins or whatever though because I lose signal to the effect and it sounds kind of lame.
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/03 16:00:38 (permalink)
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    scook does have me thinking about automation though but perhaps in a different way than is his intention. I usually trim everything anyway so I realize now after I do that I could ease up on the gate a bit but if there ends up being small sections of "silence" I could just boost it back up again at those points. For the most part though when I'm playing at those kinds of screecher levels I'm relentless so there won't be much silence in the first place.
     
     

    Nope, automating the gate as you describe is exactly what I was thinking although I have not bothered to automate the gate myself. I usually use a very light setting on the Master gate and deal with any noisy bits that get though with a combination of the PC gate/expander and envelopes (mostly envelopes).
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/03 16:13:39 (permalink)
    Now that I know how to actually use some of those PC gates/comps/etc there will definitely be some fiddling around. It did kind of strike me though that OPs main issue was that he was getting nasty hiss and noise as he tracked and didn't really want to deal with it until he hit the edit/mixing phase which is understandable and the built in gate would certainly fix that with little effort. Man... I wish things weren't so freaking whack around here right now. I've got no time to play around with all these ideas anymore.
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    Re: TH2 effects on/off 2013/07/03 20:41:30 (permalink)
    The gate in the master area of the TH2 works very effectively. Thanks for everyone's help. What a difference it makes. It was off before and just turning it on to the first position made a significant change for the better...
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