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[Solved]multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
Well, I'm stumbling upon another issue on X2a. Even after deleting, re-installing and updating battery 3, this weird issue persists, where as soon as I have more than one output routed to an audio track, all midi activity is slowed down throughout the project, and glitches, clicks and pops happen every which way. It has nothing to do with system performance, as this happens even with only a single battery instance in the project, and I have a very fast pc with a focusrite pro24. Any clues as to what could possibly cause this? It used to be fine before, this kind of happened out of nowhere and won't get fixed.
post edited by Spencer - 2013/07/16 23:21:19
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John
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/14 07:36:15
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I have Battery 3 and have never had such a problem. Nor can I think what would cause it.
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/14 20:03:03
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Me either, and I am a long-time user of Battery 3.
By default, all outputs for a loaded kit will go to the single Master pair of outputs, so I am a bit confused.
I always use custom kits, where each loaded cell is assigned its own set of outputs, which I then assign individual audio tracks for, giving me total control over each kit piece.
Sorry I don't have your issue, and like John, have no idea why that would be happening to you.
I would like to help, can you please detail your cell output routing values, and the corresponding track assignments? Perhaps with more detail, we can get something figured out for you.
Bob Bone
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/14 21:24:50
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I'm on Battery 4 and not having any latency issues such as you are describing...I'm assuming your comment about MIDI latency is just a typo. I don't think I've heard of MIDI latency, sample rendering latency yes. Don't recall having issues with Battery 3. I typically run 8 outs though admittedly I typically use a smaller grid than the max (4 x 16?).
As robert mentions if you providing some additional details it might be helpful to assisting you.
Regards
Mike Win8(64), Sonar X3e(64) w/ RME Fireface UFX.
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/14 21:58:08
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I see your machine is presumably quite speedy, and the interface is a good one.
Can you please also list the Sample Rate and ASIO Buffer Size (or number of samples if they went that route), for the interface, as well as the Sample Rate and record bit-depth that is set in Sonar, and lastly the various latency values you see in Sonar - including Total Round Trip Latency?
I am assuming also that you have a Driver Mode in Sonar of ASIO?
(and don't forget to explain the issue in more detail, from my earlier request for info)
Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/14 22:00:14
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And, if running in Windows 7, please download and run DPC Latency Check, and post back its values after letting it run a few minutes without Sonar up and going.
If on Windows 8, download and run LatencyMon and post any problematic results from that.
Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/15 03:56:14
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Another long-time battery 3 user, I've never experienced these problems either and I usually use 6-8 stereo outs routed to different audio tracks.
The only thing I can think of suggesting (other than following Robert's advice) would be to check the NI forums.
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/15 04:58:19
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Long time Battery 1, 2 and 3 user here, using multiple outs with no issues.
I know that doesn't help you but wanted to support the fact that it is more than likely something to do with your individual set-up.
X3 64bit (final update) Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Gigabyte SKT-1155 P67A-UD5 B3 Intel i5 2400 Sandybridge Quad core 6 GB Corsair RAM V-STUDIO 100 (Driver 1.50) M-AudioAxiom 49 Korg PadKontrol BCF2000
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/15 16:06:20
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mmorgan
I'm on Battery 4 and not having any latency issues such as you are describing...I'm assuming your comment about MIDI latency is just a typo. I don't think I've heard of MIDI latency, sample rendering latency yes. Don't recall having issues with Battery 3. I typically run 8 outs though admittedly I typically use a smaller grid than the max (4 x 16?).
As robert mentions if you providing some additional details it might be helpful to assisting you.
Regards
Mike how do you like Battery 4? I'm interested.
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/16 16:12:00
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John
Mike how do you like Battery 4? I'm interested.
John, I'm not a power user so take my comments with a grain of salt, but I think the interface is much improved. I'm still in the process of learning some of the new capabilities but it seems that there is much more control of effects on individual cells. Routing may be slightly improved - I wasn't particularly knowledgable overall when I first got Battery 3 (as part of Komplete). I did the full upgrade to Komplete 9 and I did so not because of Battery but some of the other plugs (in particular the RC24 and 48 reverbs, Studio Drummer and some basic plugs) though Battery seemed like a very good side benefit. That said having used it a bit it seems a lot more functional to me but this may be the result of my overall growth over the past few years. If you are happy with Battery 3 I'm not sure it would be a great upgrade for you in and of itself but if you had the cash and were thinking about doing I wouldn't hesitate either. HTH Regards,
Mike Win8(64), Sonar X3e(64) w/ RME Fireface UFX.
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/16 17:28:38
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Thanks Mike. That was very helpful.
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/16 22:27:27
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John: one thing you might consider is Groove 3 has an excellent Battery 4 video (by Eli Kratzenburg) and Mac Pro Video (macprovideo.com) also has a couple. These may be helpful, particularly if you have an already have an account with them and don't have to spend any additional money. Also I didn't mention it before but I think in some cases it seems that NI has taken some (the 'Solid' series IIRC) of the plugs that used to be required to use Guitar Rig as the host and plugged them in as fx processors (comps, eq etc.) in their instruments. I'm not 100% certain of that... One additional note which I realize is completely irrelevant: Battery 4 looks very, very cool.  Regards,
Mike Win8(64), Sonar X3e(64) w/ RME Fireface UFX.
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/16 23:20:47
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lol... sorry about this lads, my own stupid fault, I had a live instance of Nebula running I had forgotten about on the drum bus. Apparently battery's sample playback is problematic when confronted with high levels of PDC, and glitches a little, especially when it's on multi-outputs. Without that, my battery appears to be safe and sound.
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Re: multiple outputs in battery 3 causes latency, dropouts and glitches
2013/07/17 03:09:50
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Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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