zrkzgl
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edit module in X2??? is there another way??
Hey guys, I've been using Sonar 6 for the past 6 years or so (been using cakewalk since 99!!) and I'm checking out X2 since I'm thinking about building a new i7 machine, and WTF? why would they get rid of the edit module?? In Sonar 6 (and, from what I recall, every earlier version I've used) I can simply click on a button to copy, cut, paste, undo, etc... all things found under the edit menu. In X2, thus far, every time I want to copy, cut, or paste something I have to use the damn edit menu, and it's ridiculous. DOES ANYBODY KNOW ANOTHER WAY TO CUT, COPY, PASTE USING THE MOUSE??? If you're thinking of telling me to use the keyboard shortcut, please DON'T! I'm already selecting the clips with the mouse, I'm already looking up at the screen, I don't want to look down at the keyboard and reorient my hand coordination to copy and paste. If you use keyboard shortcuts, great. I typically don't, and this is NOT a post about which way is better. I'm almost certain that the edit module is the one module I used MOST in Sonar, and now it's gone! Anyone who's been using cakewalk as long as I have knows how quickly we can edit our tracks using the edit module and knows my frustration. I want to believe that Cakewalk would not remove this feature without replacing it with some superior means of editing clips with the mouse, so, PLEASE, if anyone knows what this might be... HOW??? cut, copy, paste (paste special!!!!!) undo.... How do I do these things quickly with the mouse in X2???????????? THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Stipes Vigilo
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/16 21:26:09
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I think they set it up to use with touch screens, so pulling down the menu with your finger since we're already looking at the screen makes it no big deal. I use all three, touch, mouse, keyboard. It just depends where I'm working from at the moment for which one. I use to have the same complaint with MS Office, every version would hide a feature I depended on under a new menu after killing the original button. I just adjust. Not a big thing to do really.
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Stipes Vigilo
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/16 21:26:18
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Sorry, double post, another thing I have to adjust to. However, I do think there is a mouse that has multiple assignable buttons you could use?
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/16 21:37:54
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I strongly recommend reading the documentation for the various Tools in SONAR X2: http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X2&Lang=EN&Req=Tools.01.html . Click the links to the specific tools to learn more about each one. The tools are very context sensitive to prevent you from having to constantly switch tools. There's a bit of a learning curve to it all though. The getting started video on the Smart Tool here gives a basic introduction to the Smart Tool as well: http://www.cakewalk.com/CakeTV/SONARU.aspx/Get-Started Adjusting from SONAR 6 to X2 has a learning curve definitely, but we didn't just swap things out without carefully thinking them over. The tools weren't designed around touch screens. You can do what you're looking to do, but there's a learning curve to how it works in X1/X2.
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 00:24:51
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A mouse with assignable side keys is a great way to deal with this. Ctrl + drag copies a clip to the new location. I have ctrl & shift assigned to my mouse side keys and undo assigned to the wheel click. Huge time saver! It also makes using keyboard shortcuts much faster since I hold the modifier key with the mouse and only have to find one button on the keyboard instead of stretching in weird ways to get key combos. In any event, I hardly remember using Sonar 6! Once you get used to it, I think you'll like X2 a lot better. I had to go back to X1 a little while ago to work on a 32 bit project that had been on the shelf for a while, and it even felt archaic. Seth
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zrkzgl
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 00:39:16
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Hey guys, Thanks for the replies!! Munis, I will definitely look over the tools document and watch that video, hopefully that will answer my question. Sethmopod, sounds great, but I'm not going to run out and buy a new mouse. Also, when I paste, typically I want multiple pastes, I'll paste 7 or 15 bars at a time. In Sonar 6 this was easy. While I appreciate all your responses, it would still be nice if someone could tell me how to instantly cut? Or copy and paste special?? (so I can paste multiples) quickly and without the keyboard?!?! Please! I would love you forever! Thanks.
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zrkzgl
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 00:50:11
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You know what? Why don't you guys just tell me how YOU cut, copy, and paste. (and undo, and paste special) Seriously. Let's take a survey.
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 01:06:35
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zrkzgl You know what? Why don't you guys just tell me how YOU cut, copy, and paste. (and undo, and paste special) Seriously. Let's take a survey.
My bet is most use shortcuts, I do. It's by far the fastest way.
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 02:32:20
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shortcuts, mostly all of us use shortcuts. at first they seem hard to remember them all but once you remember a few, you remember a few more, than a few more. before you know it you have memorized 50+combo keys to do all this stuff faster than lightning
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 03:05:34
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I use either the mouse or shortcuts, depending on where my brain, eyes, and hands are, and depending on how much sleep I've lost and the task I am performing. Bob Bone
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Stipes Vigilo
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 03:13:24
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I use touch screen menus or keyboard shortcuts mostly. In fact, I didn't even notice the buttons were gone until I read one of these threads that popped up awhile back. Not sure how that happened, I do remember using buttons on other DAWs.
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 09:09:45
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Shortcuts all the way here
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 09:21:56
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Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V and Ctrl-X (and a handful of others of course) are standard across Windows and (all?) Windows applications. Not knowing and using them will really slow down your general computer use, not just in SONAR.
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 09:48:10
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I just figured if you were ready to build a whole new machine, a new mouse would probably be a reasonable thing to add to the build list. They're pretty cheap and you'll find having the shortcuts be a side key on the mouse + 1 stroke on the keyboard, it will speed up your entire computing experience. As for copy, cut, paste - I use shortcuts. You can still get 'paste special' out of the edit menu. The edit menu will come up on a right click, though. You can get to it that way really fast without having to go to the main menu bars. I can remember a few upgrades over the years where I sat fuming for the first week or so about how someone moved my cheese. Invariably, once I got used to it, I found the new version to really be an improvement. Regards, Seth
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 10:10:58
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To copy press scroll wheel on mouse and make sure "smart tool" is selected, hold down ctrl and drag with left mouse. To delete press scroll wheel and select erase tool, left mouse click clip to be erased.
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 11:09:34
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Keyboard short cuts. Far and away the most productive approach. Regards,
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 11:29:04
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zrkzgl You know what? Why don't you guys just tell me how YOU cut, copy, and paste. (and undo, and paste special) Seriously. Let's take a survey.
I have interns do it for me Personally, I use a lot of keyboard shortcuts with mouse gestures. ALT + CTRL are my two best friends. SHIFT is okay too.
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 13:23:15
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The shortcuts I use most are for zooming. I have a terrible time zooming any other way. Ctrl+F is quite useful as well! Another Side-Note, I found that I need to perform a Ctrl+Shift+A before I export anything to ensure I'll REALLY get the "Entire Mix". It's habit-forming. I despise short-cuts, but when I have to use them, I get somewhat comfortable. It'll probably be another few years before I see a dire need for touch, but Skylight needs some tweaking for touch to be as useful as I'd want to see. Slate's figured that one out, albeit with a limited vision. I've suggested to CW a better way of doing this than Slate. I dunno if it fell through the cracks or not, though.
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 13:47:19
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☼ Best Answerby zrkzgl 2014/05/06 00:30:30
Right click - edit - copy Move to paste location Right click - edit - paste or paste special. No need to sit up straight and find the keyboard.
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 16:20:57
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Ctrl +z are worn out on my keyboard
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Re: edit module in X2??? is there another way??
2013/07/17 16:37:54
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brconflict The shortcuts I use most are for zooming. I have a terrible time zooming any other way. Ctrl+F is quite useful as well! Another Side-Note, I found that I need to perform a Ctrl+Shift+A before I export anything to ensure I'll REALLY get the "Entire Mix". It's habit-forming. I despise short-cuts, but when I have to use them, I get somewhat comfortable. It'll probably be another few years before I see a dire need for touch, but Skylight needs some tweaking for touch to be as useful as I'd want to see. Slate's figured that one out, albeit with a limited vision. I've suggested to CW a better way of doing this than Slate. I dunno if it fell through the cracks or not, though.
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