Should I save as a bundle?

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2013/07/17 17:35:16 (permalink)

Should I save as a bundle?

Over the last year of learning what not to do...I have deleted a couple of projects. I have a 16 bit 44.1 mix of both, but I would like a shot at remixing them. My system is backed up with paragon software so if I restore to a previous state I will get my old  projects back but lose the current ones. If I save all current projects as a bundle (cwb files) and then move them to an external drive, Restore my system and then move all the bundle files back to my projects hard drive...will that screw anything up? Will all the audio files still be there? Should I (not risk it) make do with what I have and move on?

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    jb101
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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/17 17:39:21 (permalink)
    I, personally, wouldn't use bundle files.  If they are corrupted, you lose everything.
     
    Save as a project file, but tick "copy audio with project".  At least if .cwp file is corrupted, you still have the audio.
     
    I think .cwb files became redundant when Cake came up with the copy audio function.

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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/18 01:14:29 (permalink)
    Bundles can be useful occasionally, but as the primary save format it's considered too unreliable.
    Remember to use "Per Project Audio Folders" when saving as .cwp, so all the project audio is kept in one place instead of having it all in a mess with the audio of all your projects in the global audio folder.

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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/18 02:34:30 (permalink)
    Great advice so far. The important thing is to do your "save as" to a different location to where the restore will happen

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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/18 03:15:30 (permalink)
    I have restored many bundle files from 10 to 12 years ago with great success in Sonar X2a.
    Originally it was .BUN files
    Then at some point .CWB files
     Then, as discussed above, "Per Project Audio Folders" were created as a more dependable back-up for Cakewalk projects,
    mostly because a project could always be re-built from the "audio" sub-folder files, if corrupted.
    Apparently, some have found that older bundle files are subject to corruption, though it has seldom happened to me.
     
    So definitely use  "Per Project Audio Folders" as a back-up system for your newer projects in X2a.

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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/18 07:04:10 (permalink)
    many of my bundles from days of yore are unopenable

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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/18 07:42:50 (permalink)
    Ditto... I have had probably close to 50% of the bundles from the past, carefully stored on CD, come up with a "file corrupted" message when I tried to open them several years later. Some open, some don't.
     
    Save as projects, I have never had a project file fail to open.

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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/18 10:25:37 (permalink)
    Ok Thanks. I do save all audio per project, so I should be good there. I may try to move one to my external drive and then try and reload first just to make sure I don't lose everything.

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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/18 11:17:50 (permalink)
    Bundle files are no better or worst than any other file format. If one has a properly running system bundles files should work well indeed. 
     
     

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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/18 14:17:28 (permalink)
    Hi:
    Bundle files is a wonderful way to get rid of all unwanted waves files that you no longer use.
    By saving the song into a new folder still does not get rid of the wave files that you don't need.
    Sometimes one of my song will go up to almost 2 gig, after playing and replaying different lines or instruments.
    So I use the bundle format to save the song to get it back down to like 700 megabytes, and then reopen the bundle project and then resave as normal into a brand new folder.  Of course, after that, I delete the bundle file.
    As far as I knwom this is the only way to reduce the file size.
    A lot of threads had argued that since hard drives are so cheap now, that there is no need to do that.  I agree, but somehow, I like to see a real file size that reflects the actual size of that particular song.  And that's just me. Besides I truly believe that the more unwanted stuff that you have residing in your saved project can lead to corruption later on.
    However and a big however, lately with X1 I have been having troubles with saving with bundle files.  Error after error.
    A lot of people have asked about the clean audio project per that particular folder that your song resides in only, but cakewalk has not come up to that yet.  Now this CAP is scanning the whole computer.  Lots of time with you have like 3 hard drives with big capacity.
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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/18 14:40:01 (permalink)
    dan le
    Hi:
    Bundle files is a wonderful way to get rid of all unwanted waves files that you no longer use.
    By saving the song into a new folder still does not get rid of the wave files that you don't need.
    Sometimes one of my song will go up to almost 2 gig, after playing and replaying different lines or instruments.
     


    The "Save as" function with the "Copy all audio with project" only copies the audio referenced in the cwp being saved. It does not copy unused audio. The result of the "Save as" is functionally the same as creating a bun and the opening the bun in a new location. There is nothing gained by saving as a bun except one large file that is more prone to failure than the original project.
    post edited by scook - 2013/07/18 14:55:03
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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/18 15:39:14 (permalink)
    Hi:
    I just did again as Scook said, just to be sure, and in the Audio folder, the file size is the same, in this case, 800 MGB but the bundle file is only 550 MGB, when I saved it as bundle and reopen under normal in a different folder.
    So there is still a diiference in the way the bundle file saves a project and a normal file saves a project.
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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/18 18:18:17 (permalink)
    Bundle files are compressed. That may explain the discrepancy.   

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    Re: Should I save as a bundle? 2013/07/18 20:56:02 (permalink)
    Always save your Cakewalk Project Folder to an External Drive.
     
    Once you have it saved there, when periodically re-saving it again to the external drive, you can rename the folder by adding the current date.  Or, just periodacally replace it there, Then you can delete the exsisting duplicated content from the C drive Cakewalk Project Folder. Now you have a clean Cakewalk Project Folder on your C drive, and everything saved on the external drive, in dated Cakewalk Project Folders. This will keep you preject audio folders in tact as well.
     
    You then can work from the external drive, by dragging any project folder you desire to work with to the C Drive Cakewalk Project Folder. Or, you can open the Cakewalk Project from the external drive by selecting open with "Sonar". Once you save the exsisting Cakewalk Project Folder to an external drive, you can now try the restore factor you mentioned to get back lost data. If you do get it back, also save it again to the external drive.
     
    Best not to try and rename or move exact projects with audio folders in tact, this can cause the corruption you guys speak of. However, you can rename and organize the folders, just don't rename and move the cwp. files. Example, if you have A Cakewalk Project named Rock Guitar, and inside it is the "audio folder" and Rock 1, Rock 2, Rock 3 etc...You can safely rename the Rock Guitar folder name, but you do not want to rename Rock 1, 2, and 3 etc...You can delete Rock 1 and 2, and Rock 3 will still be in tact. So you can organize them here, just stay away from messing with names where you have audio folders. But you can move and rename the folder it is in.
     
    Saving and working like this from an external drive will not hurt or change anything with the cwp files, as long as all the plug in info is still available on your hard drive.
     
    So save path: My Computer/C Drive/Cakewalk Projects, to the external, then try your restore. if you get back the data, also save it to the external. Then you can clean up the C drive CW Project folder, and work from the external, and save periodically to the external. That is how I do it!...Free
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