davdud101
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a Genius Idea
So I was looking at these comparisions between They Might Be Giants tracks ,"Thunderbird" and "On Earth My Nina". To create "On Earth", John Linnell reversed parts of "T-bird", wote what he heard lyrically, and then (of course) rewrote the lyrics to sound a bit more coherent with the English language.
So my idea is- why not do THAT! I was listening to some tracks of my own reversed, and I am sure I could squeeze some amazing concept from some them!
Any other bands do experiments like this?
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/22 19:52:22
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My first ever attempt to write a song was to play House of the Rising Sun backward and copy its melody and chord progression. Lyrics, however, did not work out too well. It's hard to work "Nus" into a lyric.
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sharke
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/23 16:50:35
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Check out "Don't Stop" by The Stone Roses, which is a similar technique. They reversed their song "She's A Waterfall" and put new lyrics to it according to what the backwards lyrics sounded like. It's actually a great piece of music.
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/23 22:40:34
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In some documentary they were interviewing one of the Holland-Dozier-Holland songwriting team and he talked about having to come up with a follow-up to the Four Tops' #1 hit "Sugar Pie Honey Bunch". So they sat down at the piano with a fifth of whiskey and started playing it backward. As an in-joke, they titled it "It's the Same Old Song". It was a hit, too. Went from composition to recording to mixing to mastering and finally to pressing in 24 hours' time.
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/23 23:55:34
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Wow! Those 2 songs are genius to my ears; I never thought of reversing melodies/chords to get creative ... let alone make 2 solid hits so quickly.
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/24 14:58:15
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I tried this technique on a George Straight country song, but it sounded the same in both directions.
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/24 23:08:47
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bitflipper
I tried this technique on a George Straight country song, but it sounded the same in both directions.
LOL
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/25 00:03:08
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I remember in college being taught the solfage method of modern composition. In one example, a bug was dipped in ink and then let to run over manuscript paper. Then, the notes were played based on the random spots.
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/25 09:22:00
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Rimshot
I remember in college being taught the solfage method of modern composition. In one example, a bug was dipped in ink and then let to run over manuscript paper. Then, the notes were played based on the random spots.
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That technique is more widely used today than ever. Except instead of an insect we use an arpeggiator.
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/25 10:30:46
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Rimshot
I remember in college being taught the solfage method of modern composition. In one example, a bug was dipped in ink and then let to run over manuscript paper. Then, the notes were played based on the random spots.
Rimshot
That technique is more widely used today than ever. Except instead of an insect we use an arpeggiator.
Modern music has notes? I thought it wuz just rhythm? (Long live rock!)
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/25 10:33:29
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bitflipper
That technique is more widely used today than ever. Except instead of an insect we use an arpeggiator.
That one killed me! I'm gonna try that. Dip my finger in paint and poke at a sheet of comp paper with a blindfold on and see what I get :D
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/25 20:06:59
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Does anyone remember fractal music generators that were all the rage in the early 90's? I had one for my Amiga.
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/26 06:22:20
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Steve Cropper did this with the opening of Midnight Hour when he wrote Knock on Wood.
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Re: a Genius Idea
2013/07/28 11:05:58
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So... in the vein of this thread.....
Take a given song.... (obviously not a George Strait song) and reverse it.
Learn it completely in the reverse.... guitars, bass, keys, drums and even the lyrics..... pronounced in the reverse.
Record it
Reverse it
Play it. It should now sound fairly "normal" with some weird artifacts......
Many years back there was a group which did this. I heard it on the Doctor Demento show. Cool stuff.
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