Hissing noise when recording audio

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2013/07/22 16:20:30 (permalink)

Hissing noise when recording audio

Hi,
I recently purchased Sonar X2 Studio.  I am a guitar player and am having an issue when I try to record my guitar into Sonar.  I am able to record audio, but I am getting a high end background hiss (noise).  I am using a Shure SM58 mic into a dbx 286 mic pre, into an M-Audio Fastrack Pro.  I have tried every combination that I can think of, including bypassing the dbx mic pre and plugging the mic into the sound card, still there.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I am new to this and just learning the program, so I hope someone can help.
 
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    John
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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 16:25:40 (permalink)
    Are you recording at 24 bits?

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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 16:36:22 (permalink)
    What are you pointing the SM58 at?
     
    If you think that it is pretty much the same with or without the dbx286 and assuming you are tracking/capturing at reasonable levels then I'd try to figure out if you are pointing it in the direction of something that includes hiss.
     
    So, what are you pointing the SM58 at?
     
    and
     
    Are you setting your analog input gain (on the DBX286 or the M-Audio) so that the the recorded tracks peak some where in between -20dBFS? and -6dBFS?
     
     
    and
     
    Are you using the "pad" on the M Audio Pro? If you are and you don't actually need to... it will add hiss.
     
     
    best regards,
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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 16:47:25 (permalink)
    At first glance, it appears the FastTrack Pro has either mic or instrument level inputs, but no line-level inputs. Try bypassing the dbx and plugging the mic directly into the FastTrack and see if that affects noise.
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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 16:51:44 (permalink)
    I am recording at 16 bits.  I am not using a pad and I have the mic sitting right against my amp cabinet.  I even tried to mic my acoustic guitar and I still get the hiss.  I've also tried to adjust the gain levels down on the mic pre.  Even if I record at low volume very clean, I still get it.
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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 16:56:39 (permalink)
    When you record in 16 bits you need to have the signal as hot as you can get it without clipping. I suggest you try 24 bits for recording. I'll bet the hiss will go away. And you don't need to worry so much about how hot your signal is. 

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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 17:22:13 (permalink)
    It won't let me configure to 24 bit, my sound card is capable of only 16 bit, when I apply the settings it goes back to 16.  Also, the Fast Track does have line level imputs, I have tried to line into the fast track, didn't work.  Maybe I need to upgrade my sound card, any suggestions?
     
    Thank you all so much for taking the time to help!
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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 17:42:30 (permalink)
    What Record Mode are you running with in Sonar?  WDM or ASIO?
     
    If you have installed drivers for your audio interface, try using a Sample Rate of 44.1 for it, and an ASIO Buffer Size of 128, and go into Sonar preferences, Apply a Record Mode to change it to ASIO, and also Apply a Sample Rate 44.1 - then try recording again and post back with results.
     
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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 17:51:16 (permalink)
    TomG7861
    It won't let me configure to 24 bit, my sound card is capable of only 16 bit, when I apply the settings it goes back to 16.  Also, the Fast Track does have line level imputs, I have tried to line into the fast track, didn't work.  Maybe I need to upgrade my sound card, any suggestions?
     
    Thank you all so much for taking the time to help!




     
    When you say "sound card" are you referring to the M Audio FastTrack or are you using the analog or digital outs on the Fast Track into some other sound card?


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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 17:55:36 (permalink)
    SuperG
    At first glance, it appears the FastTrack Pro has either mic or instrument level inputs, but no line-level inputs. Try bypassing the dbx and plugging the mic directly into the FastTrack and see if that affects noise.




    IIRC
     
    The mic inputs are for the mics.
     
    The TRS input is for the Line, and it can be switched with the Line/Inst switch to TS instrument input.
     
     


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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 18:42:19 (permalink)
    I already have the sample rate set for 44.1, ski sorry about the term sound card, I was referring to the fast track pro, my studio interface. I also tried to change the Mic
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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 19:03:43 (permalink)
    No need to apologize. I'd call it a sound card too.
     
    I was grasping for possible reasons. :-)
     
    The Fast Track should do 24 bit no problem. If you are setting it to 24bit and finding it defaults back to 16 check SONARs options for Record Bit Depth and Default project Bit Depth.
     
    Which driver are you using? Is it possible you are using MME when you have other choices? What does it say in SONAR's Audio Options?
     
    best regards,
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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 20:01:22 (permalink)
    According to the manual for the M Audio Fastrack Pro it supports 24 bits.
     
     
    "Supports sample rates up to 96kHz with full 24-bit resolution
    Functions as a stand-alone 24-bit/44.1kHz A/D converter"
     
    Copied from the features on the 1st page. 
     
    I think you have it set up wrong and you may have not set Sonar's render bit depth to 24 bits. 
     
    Your audio card is very capable of 24 bit recording. 

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    Re: Hissing noise when recording audio 2013/07/22 20:44:53 (permalink)
    A few things to try:
     
    Set up as you usually do with the mic going into the Fast Track's mic pre input. Set the Fast Track input level as usual.
     
    Unplug the mic lead from the Fast Track (so there's nothing connected) then record. Do you get silence or hiss? If hiss, how loud is it (what does the track meter in Sonar tell you)?
     
    If no hiss, then connect the mic and lead. Make sure the mic is pointing at nothing (especially your PC) and sit it under a cushion. Record. Is there hiss now?
     
    Finally, are you sure the hiss isn't the "blow"noise from your amp being picked up by the mc, or the fans in your pc, or air conditioning or anything else external? Our brains filter out background noise, especially low-level noise we're used to hearing all the time. Until we start recording audio, when it becomes painfully obvious :-).

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