How far to push the CPU?

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2013/07/25 15:55:12 (permalink)

How far to push the CPU?

Hey all,
 
How far do you all see your processor get pushed in most projects on the CPU monitor in Sonar?  Anyone do any adjustments on processor priority for Sonar in Windows?
 
I've got this:
Intel Quad core from about 2009
ASUS P5KE motherboard
4 GB DDR2
Win 7 64 bit
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All 64 bit drivers and plugs
System, samples, audio HD's, all on SATA 2
RME Multiface II on PCIe at 128 buffers, and all projects are 24 bit 44.1 or 48 K.
 
My projects are pretty small.  4-5 VST instruments and a handful of VST effects, then 4-5 audio tracks.  Usually core 1 may peak around 40% occasionally and the other three barely peak 10%.  All this with no tracks frozen.
 
My system feels very responsive and quick.  Just curious how that compares to what you all see on your rigs.
 
 
Thanks,
 
Donny
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    chuckebaby
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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/25 16:08:21 (permalink)
    AMD 6 core phenom 2 w/8 gigs of ram.
    most project consist of 5-7 vst-I
    30-50 audio track / 20-30 vst plug ins prochannel on 60-70% of those tracks.
     
    all cores being used and distributed properly, inbetween 40-60%
    ive yet had a drop out problem or too many tracks/had to freeze.
    but around 70% performance my now time has a small delay when engaging the play button.

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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/25 18:25:57 (permalink)
    windows 7/64, 12ram,AMD8core,2tb drive
    starting pc, before opening windows, went to setup & took processor out of energy saving mode.
    also software running like virus scanners, maybe unwanted searchmachines etc....can affect performance.
    your gear is fine for Sonar I think
     
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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/25 18:32:22 (permalink)
    Does anyone overclock? Does it help?
     
    I have made no adjustments for Sonar's priority in Windows. When mixing, I often have a web browser open for browsing while I bounce tracks. Otherwise, there isn't much competing with Sonar.

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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/26 04:42:43 (permalink)
    I've never seen a single core go above about 5% on my system.

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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/26 07:02:32 (permalink)
    chuckebaby
    AMD 6 core phenom 2 w/8 gigs of ram.most project consist of 5-7 vst-I30-50 audio track / 20-30 vst plug ins prochannel on 60-70% of those tracks. all cores being used and distributed properly, inbetween 40-60%ive yet had a drop out problem or too many tracks/had to freeze.but around 70% performance my now time has a small delay when engaging the play button.


    Wow, if my phenom 2 worked half that well I would be happy. I seem to be in the minority of 1st core overload without doing much at all despite the usual 'fixes' being applied. X1d on win 7 worked much better for me than X2a on win 8. Should be the other way round I know.

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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/26 09:01:16 (permalink)
    On my old duo core laptop I could run 50% or better w/o issues. Usually when I got into the 80% range on the lappy the old girl would throw a fit every now and then.
     
    On the new quad core, I haven't bothered to look. no problems so far.

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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/26 10:28:14 (permalink)
    I also have a 6 core AMD Phenom and what I've found is that if I'm just working on audio tracks with plugs, the load is fairly evenly distributed across the cores. If (as is usually the case) I'm working on something with a lot of VSTi's, and especially Native Instruments stuff and especially their "Drummer" libraries in Kontakt (with the onboard mixing), then the first core will very easily spike into the red if I'm not careful.

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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/26 12:15:48 (permalink)
    Bristol_Jonesey
    I've never seen a single core go above about 5% on my system.

    I'd say mine might get to 7%...maybe.
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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/26 12:24:54 (permalink)
    No issues in X2, distributed and generally under 10%, oddly in Live I've been noticing upwards to around 30-35%
     
    My understanding on the NI stuff is it is not capable of running on anything other than the first core.
     
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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/26 12:32:38 (permalink)
    mmorgan
    My understanding on the NI stuff is it is not capable of running on anything other than the first core.
     
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    Officially this is not entirely true, since Kontakt gives you the option of how many cores to use. However, I've never seen any difference in changing this setting, so......

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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/26 14:14:04 (permalink)
    sharke, it seems to be an open debate. I've seen threads on NIs site that say NI doesn't but one has to consider the context also (i.e. Machine, Kontakt, Reaktor etc). I honestly don't know but I keep coming across the problem. I like the drum series in Kontakt but have similar issues to what you've been experiencing.
     
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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/26 18:43:06 (permalink)
    gswitz
    Does anyone overclock? Does it help?
     
    I have made no adjustments for Sonar's priority in Windows. When mixing, I often have a web browser open for browsing while I bounce tracks. Otherwise, there isn't much competing with Sonar.


    I will be overclocking. The parts are currently on order, but I'll post an update after I've benchmarked my build. i7-4770K, 32GB RAM, Win 8-64.

    For the benchmark's sake, I want to see how high it will go, but for daily use I'll probably cap it around 4.2-4.3 GHz for longevity. Maybe ramp it back up for kicks & giggles if/when the need arises.




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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/26 19:59:59 (permalink)
    mmorgan
    My understanding on the NI stuff is it is not capable of running on anything other than the first core.

    NI added support for multiple cores/CPUs in Kontakt 3, IIRC. However, they've always recommend running it on one core, as the multithreading introduces its own overhead so even though each core's working less individually, in total they're working harder. It also interferes with the host's ability to do its own load balancing. None of this applies when running Kontakt in standalone mode, though.
     


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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/27 02:54:53 (permalink)
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    mmorgan
    My understanding on the NI stuff is it is not capable of running on anything other than the first core.

    NI added support for multiple cores/CPUs in Kontakt 3, IIRC. However, they've always recommend running it on one core, as the multithreading introduces its own overhead so even though each core's working less individually, in total they're working harder. It also interferes with the host's ability to do its own load balancing. None of this applies when running Kontakt in standalone mode, though.
     




    Trouble with this is, I don't notice a blind bit of difference in running Kontakt on one core or all six. I've changed the setting and restarted the host like it asks, but whether it's set to one core or six I still see the first core spiking into the red by the same amount. I wouldn't mind if the overall load was more when spread across 6 cores, because I have a hell of a lot of headroom left on the other cores (which never seem to exceed 20-30% even on my heaviest projects). I'd happily see them all work a little harder if it meant an end to the pops and clicks which result from one core spiking. 

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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/27 10:16:22 (permalink)
    Are you sure that one core's usage is due entirely to Kontakt? Try it in standalone mode, to eliminate SONAR's use of the first core from the picture.


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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/27 12:16:19 (permalink)
    bitflipper
    Are you sure that one core's usage is due entirely to Kontakt? Try it in standalone mode, to eliminate SONAR's use of the first core from the picture.




    I guess I'm not being specific enough, because I totally neglected to mention that I don't have a problem with Kontakt in general - specifically, it's NI's Drummer series of Kontakt libraries. Using the onboard effects spikes that first core through the roof. If I turn all the effects off, I get no spiking. The mixer uses effects that I also have as separate fx either in the form of VST's or within Guitar Rig, and if I route the drums to separate audio and put those exact same effects on every track, I don't get spiking. So something about using those effects within Kontakt makes the first core spike. It's a well documented problem on the NI forums. 

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    Re: How far to push the CPU? 2013/07/27 12:56:38 (permalink)
    Xeon 2.9 8C; 36GB Ram; Projects using 8-20 tracks. First core runs mostly around 5% with sometimes a 15-20% peak, the other cores around half of that. The exception is when I use certain samples in Alchemy that push the first core to 30-35% peaks.
     
     
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