Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting?

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2013/07/25 18:55:29 (permalink)

Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting?

I have Ez drummer with Vintage, Nashville, classic and Jazz, but I usually prefer the standard kit. Are these Session drummer kits worth getting? The Andy Johns kit is on sell for $19.
Why isn't the Neil Peart kit ever on sell? I like that Snake and Arrows kit!
Are there midi grooves with these too or just the kits?
Should I just save up for the superior drummer upgrade?

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    cclarry
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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/25 23:28:13 (permalink)
    I have the Infinite Player Kontakt version of the Neil Pert Drums...they're AWESOME...and HUGE...
    crazy resource user...but sound incredible...love 'em....


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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 00:33:04 (permalink)
    Save up for a sampler upgrade. If you want MIDI loops Groove Monkey has a buy one get one free
    sale code "bogo" through the end of the month.
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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 00:35:31 (permalink)
    cclarry
    I have the Infinite Player Kontakt version of the Neil Pert Drums...they're AWESOME...and HUGE...
    crazy resource user...but sound incredible...love 'em....


    +1 on all counts. However the SD3 version is only a sub set of the Kontakt version. There was a thread with a comparison posted a while back. The upside is it wont be as resource hungry as the Kontakt version. I think the BFD version is roughly equivelent to the Kontakt version.

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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 08:37:53 (permalink)
    Yep, Kontakt version is great.
     
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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 10:17:52 (permalink)
    Thanks guys! I'll use that groove monkey code...Thanks scook. I would love to have Neil Pearts kit, but I think I'm hearing pass on the Session drummer version. I think I'll hold out for the upgrade to SD2.

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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 10:35:27 (permalink)
    eSoundz has the Kontakt Infinity player version for $79. https://www.esoundz.com/sounds/neil-peart-drums-vol-1-the-kit-for-infinite-player-/4432.html
     
    They say.
    For purchasers of this product, a complimentary Infinite Player license will be provided to all new users of the Infinite Player. For exisiting Infinite Player users, your license already supports this product.
    That means it will work in the free Kontakt player.
     
    They are selling  the SD3 version for $49.
     
    If you sign up as a member you may get these cheaper.

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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 10:43:59 (permalink)
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     I'll use that groove monkey code...Thanks scook.


    Credit goes to Scott Garrigus, the code was in his newsletter.
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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 10:48:14 (permalink)
    I got the Neil Pert set when it was on sale for $39...and I had $20 in esounds points...
     
    that made it $19.....that's an.......mmmmmm....no brainer...LOL


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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 16:41:29 (permalink)
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    eSoundz has the Kontakt Infinity player version for $79. https://www.esoundz.com/sounds/neil-peart-drums-vol-1-the-kit-for-infinite-player-/4432.html
     
    They say.
    For purchasers of this product, a complimentary Infinite Player license will be provided to all new users of the Infinite Player. For exisiting Infinite Player users, your license already supports this product.
    That means it will work in the free Kontakt player.
     
    They are selling  the SD3 version for $49.
     
    If you sign up as a member you may get these cheaper.




    Hmmm. I'm pretty interested in this Infinite player thing, but how would that work? Do I load it as a synth and drag in midi? Is there a free Kontakt player? Can I download that and then buy the Neil Peart library? It all sounds promising. I wish they had an EZ drummer version. Session drummer just seems to plain to me. I would like to be able to use room mics and overheads.

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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 20:48:37 (permalink)
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    eSoundz has the Kontakt Infinity player version for $79. https://www.esoundz.com/sounds/neil-peart-drums-vol-1-the-kit-for-infinite-player-/4432.html




    Hmmm. I'm pretty interested in this Infinite player thing, but how would that work? Do I load it as a synth and drag in midi? Is there a free Kontakt player? Can I download that and then buy the Neil Peart library? It all sounds promising. I wish they had an EZ drummer version. Session drummer just seems to plain to me. I would like to be able to use room mics and overheads.


    If someone was interested in Superior Drummer, audiodeluxe has the crossgrade for ezd owners for about the same price.
    post edited by scook - 2013/07/26 20:50:34
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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 21:40:28 (permalink)
    I think that's the way I will go scook. Thanks for the heads up. Will my Ez drummer kits work in SD?
     

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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 21:51:48 (permalink)
    Yes the EZD kits work in Superior Drummer.
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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 23:08:58 (permalink)
    I crossgraded from EZD to Superior Drummer 2 and it is worth it.
    Just need to wait for some blowout $79 sales on the SDXs. 

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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/26 23:17:12 (permalink)
    AD is only a few dollars more for single SDX packs through the end of the month.
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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/27 01:05:17 (permalink)
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    Hmmm. I'm pretty interested in this Infinite player thing, but how would that work? Do I load it as a synth and drag in midi? Is there a free Kontakt player? Can I download that and then buy the Neil Peart library? It all sounds promising. I wish they had an EZ drummer version. Session drummer just seems to plain to me. I would like to be able to use room mics and overheads.



    "Infinity player" is just a licensing mechanism that allows Sonic Reality libraries to work in the free Kontakt player. The kit runs in Kontakt Player. If you want to audition MIDI you would need to use the Sonar browser. Routing in Kontakt takes a bit of getting used to but once it clicks its reasonably straight forward. I have made Sonar Track Templates for NP drums so it always loads with multiple outputs.
     
    If you want the full Neil Peart kit its the cheapest way of getting it. The BFD version is probably the best if you want full control in a dedicated drum interface. But of course that requires BFD.
     
    Upgrading your EZ Drummer to Superior is a good route if you are looking for versatality. I suggest you get the Groove 3 "Superior Drummer 2 explained" video to get the most out of it as quickley as possible. It far more versitile and therefore more complex than EZ Drummer.
     
    Finally do not discount BFD, which is also an excellent program, I am a Toontrack man for the most part but when you look at what you get with BFD it looks better value for money at least for those starting from scratch.
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/27 01:07:41 (permalink)
    Grrrr.
    Just when I though it was safe to put the wallet away....

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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/27 01:32:20 (permalink)
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    If you want the full Neil Peart kit its the cheapest way of getting it. The BFD version is probably the best if you want full control in a dedicated drum interface. But of course that requires BFD.
     
    Upgrading your EZ Drummer to Superior is a good route if you are looking for versatality. I suggest you get the Groove 3 "Superior Drummer 2 explained" video to get the most out of it as quickley as possible. It far more versitile and therefore more complex than EZ Drummer.
     
    Finally do not discount BFD, which is also an excellent program, I am a Toontrack man for the most part but when you look at what you get with BFD it looks better value for money at least for those starting from scratch.
     

    No argument. That is why I picked up the BFD Eco on the cheap. In case I feel the need for BFD2 too. For now Superior Drummer works for me. For those thinking about Superior Drummer 2 or those that just need a refresher, the Groove3 video does cover the plug-in pretty well. You can get a free 30 day pass to Groove3 by entering the current Musicians Friend giveaway (US residents only)
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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/27 14:01:56 (permalink)
    And just do you know....Audio Deluxe has the upgrade from EZDrummer on sale for $79.99....that's a steal...

    http://audiodeluxe.com/products/toontrack-superior-20-crossgrade-ezdrummer

     However be advised that there is no Neil Pert Drums for Superior Drummer....that I'm aware of...
     
     
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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/27 15:24:17 (permalink)
    Just reading this I clicked on the, Audiomidi" link and whilst I didn't see anything about superior drummer 2 I clicked on deal of the week and discovered This.  
     
    It's the same price as fxpasnion are selling it and yet audiomidi are saying it cost $199 which I'm not sure if it ever was that much but it certainly isn't now. Yes, there is a $14 redeeming voucher so you can get it for $84
    They are however selling BFD2 for $149 (with redeeming coupon) which is $50 cheaper than the fxpansion site.
     
    To the OP, if you can pick up BFD Eco on sale it's well worth while and will get you on the upgrade path to BFD2 and BFD3 is looming on the horizon.
     
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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/27 16:46:56 (permalink)
    Well I downloaded kontakt and it looked liked something I don't want to learn right now. I'm ready to just play for awhile. I checked my paypal account and had $44 left so I just went ahead and bought the Session drummer version. That will tell me what I want to know for cheap and later I will upgrade to SD2. Thanks for the esoundz link! It saved me about $30.

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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/28 21:58:37 (permalink)
    The drum kit sounds good, but Session drummer is a pain. Maybe they will update it for X3.

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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/29 08:20:04 (permalink)
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    eSoundz has the Kontakt Infinity player version for $79. https://www.esoundz.com/sounds/neil-peart-drums-vol-1-the-kit-for-infinite-player-/4432.html
     
    They say.
    For purchasers of this product, a complimentary Infinite Player license will be provided to all new users of the Infinite Player. For exisiting Infinite Player users, your license already supports this product.
    That means it will work in the free Kontakt player.
     
    They are selling  the SD3 version for $49.
     
    If you sign up as a member you may get these cheaper.




    Hmmm. I'm pretty interested in this Infinite player thing, but how would that work? Do I load it as a synth and drag in midi? Is there a free Kontakt player? Can I download that and then buy the Neil Peart library? It all sounds promising. I wish they had an EZ drummer version. Session drummer just seems to plain to me. I would like to be able to use room mics and overheads.




    Infinite Player loads as a library in Kontakt. It's a library of libraries, if you will. There are a crap ton of really excellent drum sample libraries available for IP through eSoundz that are very reasonably priced.
     
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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/29 11:53:28 (permalink)
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    Infinite Player loads as a library in Kontakt. It's a library of libraries, if you will. There are a crap ton of really excellent drum sample libraries available for IP through eSoundz that are very reasonably priced.



    I have the Bill Bruford kit as well as the Neil Peart. It sounds pretty good until it starts machein gunning. Its lacking round robins, certainly not up to the NP kit standard.

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    Re: Are the Andy Johns and Neil Peart kits worth getting? 2013/07/30 10:08:53 (permalink)
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    Infinite Player loads as a library in Kontakt. It's a library of libraries, if you will. There are a crap ton of really excellent drum sample libraries available for IP through eSoundz that are very reasonably priced.



    I have the Bill Bruford kit as well as the Neil Peart. It sounds pretty good until it starts machein gunning. Its lacking round robins, certainly not up to the NP kit standard.




    The price difference would sort of point you to the fact that some things are missing from the IP version.
     
    Still, with careful programming, I've gotten excellent results with other IP kits. I tend to mix, match and layer kit samples to fit the end result better into the song I'm working on.
     
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