michaelhanson
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More Guitar Center Frustration
For the most part, I am OK with Guitar Centers, at least I go in there a lot and continue to go back. A slightly frustrated Mike was trying to demo a Pod HD500 for the first time yesterday. I have never seen one that was available to demo, so I jumped on it while I could. The HD500 was hooked up to a Peavey Valve King for the demo. So the first question I asked was, can I just listen through some head phones. The sale guy said...well. we have it hooked up to the amp because it sounds really good that way. So I replied, but wont the amp color the tone? Fair question I thought. Anyway, he replies, no..not if it is going through the effect loop. Which, I am thinking to myself, well its still being colored by the power tubes then. So, anyway, I knew this was going to be like talking in circles, so I just said, OK, then I will demo it through the amp and the fx loop. And the guys says, well it is not hooked up right now to the fx loop. I rearranged the hook ups. Now I am going into the fx loop. Now I asked the guy if he could show me how to dial up...just the amps with no fx on them. He wants to know why I would not want use the fx...he said you can get up to 5 fx on each patch and they are really cool. Again, I thought it would be obvious, but I replied that I just wanted to hear the amps themselves because I wanted to hear how accurate they were when not drowned in fx. He didn't know how to do that...he was going to have to get his buddy who was like the Pod guru. Buddy shows up and I have to go through the whole thing again. Finally after 45 minutes, he was able to dial up a Fender Bassman model all by itself. I played it for a while and he asked, well..how does it sound. I said...like a Bassman sim through a Peavey Valve King.
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/27 17:20:07
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2013/07/27 17:22:46
That's what you get for not completely reading the manual and knowing everything about the product before you deal with a GC sales dweeb. HTH.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/27 17:23:36
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I don't get it. Why would you not want to use effects? ;-)
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/27 17:38:52
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/27 18:30:26
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I have similar when I order oatmeal in Starbucks and they say do you want the brown sugar with that and I say no thanks just the nuts will be fine and they say why would you not have the brown sugar it's delicious and I say please can I just have the nuts please.
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/27 20:51:24
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I get that when I order my Big Mac without the double O'Pattys.
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/28 09:20:15
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Mike, I just recently bought the Line 6 UX-2 Guitar Interface which can be used standalone or in any DAW, and it sounds FANTASTIC!! Granted, I do like the F/X, but the amp models seem very realistic to me when I listen to it on my computer monitors. (I have never tried to hook it up to a guitar amp.) It comes with their POD Farm 2.5 software, and there are expansion paks you can get for it. I ordered POD Farm Platinum upgrade, and it has every sound available in it. I heard the HD500 on YouTube, but my vote goes to the UX devices. (My brother has the UX-1). You can find them on eBay for quite a discount (I got my UX-2 for the price of a UX-1). There is some very cool stuff in it which I hope to use in a couple of new tunes in the near future, so stay tuned.....
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michaelhanson
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/28 09:58:18
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Hey Tony, I actually have a UX 1 and use PF 2.5 in some of my recordings. The UX1 is just a computer interface as far as I know. I also have the old red kidney bean, Pod 2 which I will occasionally use as more of a personal practice tool. I just have been really interested in the tones of the new Pod HD series because of all of the hype on how good the amp tones are. I have heard comments as to being almost as good as the Ax FXII and such. I guess I just thought the whole experience was strange in that: a.) they would not have had it hooked up to a set of phones, or b.) had it playing through the Line 6 amp meant for the Pod HD, the DT25 or DT50. What an odd choice to have it going through a Peavey Valve King. I don't play with a lot of FX any way, so the FX are not going to be the selling point to the Pod HD stuff for me. For me, I want to know if anything is approaching the tone of my tube amp. If it's amps were that good, and do not have that digital fizziness so common with these type of units, it could possibly replace the UX1, the Pod 2, my tube amp, etc. Granted, I don't think I really got a good feel on Friday for what the system actually sounds like, but it still was n't close enough for me...in what I was hearing. I know that my red bean has a switch on the back that needs to be in the "amp position", if you are using it as a pre in front of an amp. Then your amp needs to be set up in a real neutral setting. I don't even know if these 2 guys had the unit set up correctly to run through an amp.
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57Gregy
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/28 10:05:30
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I get frustrated every time I go into GC... because I don't have the money to buy everything.
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michaelhanson
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/28 10:13:21
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LOL, I don't either Greg. I buy a lot of used gear these days. The HD500 just came out in an updated version...the HD500x, with twice the processing power for FX. I know a lot of HD500 buyers are kind of pd off about that and I am thinking the units will be showing up on the used market shortly. Again, if you don't play with much for FX than an occasional delay or something, why would I need all the processing power.
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Guitarhacker
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/28 11:26:56
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Funny.... and typical.... Next time, bring your own headphones with you....and don't ask permission.... just do it.
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michaelhanson
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/28 14:29:40
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Starise
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/29 11:30:34
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That's a pretty lame explanation from the GC guys ,and one that certainly doesn't make sense.I don't think you got a very good playing example of what the unit can do in that setting.If you used one of their guitars that makes it even worse. The POD sounds best through a full range amp which is why it sounds better on a good set of cans or from a decent PA or keyboard amp on stage. In the studio it sounds great on a decent monitoring setup. I never got a good sound from a POD through a guitar amp. I'm not saying it isn't possible but for me I bought a POD so I wouldn't need an amp. Yes I know you can hook one through a guitar amp which is usually hyped midrange and then you get whatever coloring is happening in the amp, not to mention the increased noise. For me it kind of defeats the whole purpose.One day I might consider something like the DT25 just as a tuned adaptable tube section made specifically for the purpose. I can get some nice amp tones through the PA I play through when I play it out,speakers firing from ceiling not speakers on sticks and that was using a really cheap DI box. I plan to look for a decent radial box,they are tough to beat. I think stereo/mono also can make a huge difference. Only taking left mono out into a guitar amp probably kills at least half the joy right off the bat. Youtube is a great place to hear what some have done with the HD500. There are a lot of these things on the market . Like you say a whole lot of gassers are going to want the HD500x and will try and sell their HD500 to get it. You could take one home from GC .They have a 100% money back guarantee if you're not satisfied. You could play and tweak for up to 30 days at home.If no like..no buy. I have done this on a few occasions where really taking the time to try something out was almost impossible at GC.
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/29 11:44:37
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I agree with the advice to bring your own headphones. Our local GC has some pretty cool guys... They make sure I get setup with whatever unit... and they leave me alone (just the way I like it). They know if I like something... I'll buy it. FWIW, Check out the Zoom G5. IMO, It sounds better than the POD HD500... and it's less expensive.
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/07/29 11:54:09
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We always ran our POD gear through either a Peavey Classic 50/50 or a VHT 2/50/2. It added just a little coloring, but pretty much just what the gear needed to sound awesome. In the studio, it went through active JBL EON's for exactly the same reasons Starise mentioned.
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/08/01 01:59:49
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I was in Guitar Center two days ago, and frankly the retail store is a complete mess. - My favorite strings that I have been playing with for 10 years are Dean Markley Signature Regular Size.
- Guitar Center now refuses to carry these strings in their stores. Why? Cause these strings are kind of cheap. They are only $4.99 a pack, and when I started playing with them, they were actually $2.79 a pack. Online you can still buy them, but if you go into the retail store, you now need to choose from the assorted array of more expensive strings that Guitar Center will actually carry. I only play nickel wound, and I really like Dean Markley, so I had to buy a $7.00 pack of strings.
2. My favorite picks which I have been playing with four 13 years are Dunlop .96mm Gator Grips. - Guitar Center, in its store, and online is trying to charge $5.95 for my favorite picks. This is insane!! I started using these picks during my 2nd or 3rd year of playing guitar. These picks were like a $1 a pack. Nowadays if you by them from sweetwater online you can get them for $3.95? I had Guitar Center do a price match.
The inflation, and online stores have made shopping in brick shops a total journey to stupidity. Its unbelievable. By the way, Sam Ash brink n mortar is doing the same thing... I was in there several months back, grabbed two packs of picks, and bit my tongue as I paid $12. I couldn't believe it... Its only in 2012 or something, that they started doing that with Gator Grips. I've been trying to do 100% of my shopping online, but sometimes, "you just need some strings n picks." Anyways, after that Sam Ash experience, I instantly became aware of the pick pricing. That is why, when I was @ Guitar Cent last monday, I went right up to the register and said, "how much are these picks?" Great.. I had my smartphone in hand, and showed them Sweetwater's price, and said, "match it."
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Starise
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/08/01 09:17:14
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The HD 500 just came down 100.00 new. You could get the zoom and the HD500 ;) Since I have the HD500 and some effects I have no need for the HD500x or whatever it is. I am quite happy with the HD500 when it's tweaked a little here and there. For me it was a no brainer because I had the Variax which talks to the HD500 in good ways. I might change up when line 6 comes out with something a little more ground breaking than simply effects. Heck most of these kinds of units have an effect loop in the back including mine. If they ever come out with something like a chameleon copycat modeler, IOW something that I can take to a Marshall of my choice and simply copy that amp and store it and do it for a good price, I might pee myself. I know at least one company makes one now but it's way out of range for what I would be willing to pay. If you want good tone for not a lot of clams and have an ipad try Jamup pro. You will need something like their input device or the iRig to play it but MAN, some of those tones are nice. I haven't tried to record them yet, can't vouch for the quality there yet. Jamup has a similar thing to the pack idea that IK uses. They sell additional packs only they don't bug you to death to buy them like some others.
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michaelhanson
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/08/01 12:28:28
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I haven't given up on the HD 500 yet, Starise, I really want to like it. I have all day next Thursday off, and 1/2 a day with no other family members around, so hopefully I will get up there with a set of my own head phones and get a better demo of the unit.
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craigb
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/08/01 17:17:25
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Starise If you want good tone for not a lot of clams and have an ipad try Jamup pro.
The only clams I have now happen when I play - lol!
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: More Guitar Center Frustration
2013/08/01 17:21:06
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I think G.C. does the price match so that people will be happy and say nice things about them.
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