Internal Bleeding...

Hello Peeps, I hope you are all well 
 
It's not me that has an internal bleeding problem by the way... It is a perceived problem I'm currently having with X2.
 
I say "perceived" because the behaviour I am experiencing may be correct. It just seems a bit weird to me and I don't like it.
 
As anyone who already knows me, I am mainly a MIDI person. I recently bought a new guitar which inspired me to try and learn to play properly, again.
 
The other night I decided to lay down an idea. It was going to be a simple thing and I started off with a bass line, played by myself on a cheap bass I got many years ago. I then added a basic drum track using Battery 3.
 
The third track I created was for my guitar and I wanted to experiment with some heavy riffage. I added an instance of GR5 to the effects bin and chose "God's Love," which is particularly heavy on the old distortion.
 
And that's where it all went wrong. I've never noticed this before, but I was getting serious feedback just as if I was playing through an amp. I was DI'ing into my QUAD-CAPTURE so I couldn't understand why that was happening.
 
Furthermore, I noticed that, when I wasn't playing the guitar, the drums and bass tracks were "bleeding" into the guitar track. Really bad.
 
I'm stumped. I checked all my sound preferences and there is nothing I can see that would be causing this "problem."
 
My setup is in my signature. I know that does not reveal everything and when I get time I will post up all the details of my settings too. I thought I'd run this up the flagpole first and see if anyone knows of anything obvious I am doing wrong, or if my so called problem is not really a problem.
 
Thanks Peeps, I'll leave that with you and check back in later

It sounds like your guitar's pick ups are a tad microphonic. Try monitoring through headphones when you are recording.

 
Is Auto Sens on?
 
Is there anything hooked up to coax 3 and 4? In the Quad Capture mixer software is the input level on Quad Capture mixer software coax 3 and 4 turned up?
 
 

Thanks for all the replies thus far. I appreciate it.
 
Hi John. I DI into the QUAD-CAPTURE and monitor with heaphones. If I unplug the headphones I still get the "problem."
 
Hi JB. The problem occurs even without the guitar plugged in, which is one of the reasons why this is stumping me.
 
Hi Wizard. Thanks for the link. I will check it out in more detail when I get home later. I thought I was pretty handy with device set-up and routing options but there must be something I am missing...
 
Hi Mike. Auto Sens is off. I've also checked the Q-C mixer software and again, I can't see anything wrong in there. And there is nothing connected to the SPDIF conns.
 
I should have mentioned that I tried another thing last night:-
 
I created a new blank project,
I added a new single audio track,
I set the input to the left side of my Q-C,
I added an instance of GR5 to the effects bin,
I selected "God's Love,"
I turned on Input Echo,
Without anything connected to the Q-C input or having my headphones connected the meters hit the roof if I turned up the input level on the Q-C.
And turning up the headphone volume exacerbates the problem.
 
I also tried the same with an instance of TH2 added and selection a high distortion patch.
 
There has to be some clues in there somewhere, I just cannot see it.
 
Many thanks again for your help so far guys

Any sends going to a bus?

I'm just catching up and reading post #7.
 
I'm stumped.
 
It seems like the symptoms that I have heard amp designers call enharmonic feedback. (I never figured out why it's called enharmonic in this context)
 
I admit I'm stumped... but I'd try flipping the polarity switch on your track just to see what happens... not as a fix but as a search for a clue.
 
 
 
I'm assuming you have done a reboot and full power cycle (pull the plug) on the Quad Capture just in case it's just a simple hangup in the drivers.
 
Did I say I am stumped? :-)
 
Good luck.
 
best regards,
mike

Does tweaking the gate at the top of GR5 help with the feedback?
 
I tried out 'NoAmp' at the weekend, which is a freebie emulation of Tech21's GT-2 stomp box.  I had all the inputs to it pulled all the way down but it still managed to completely shatter the Sunday morning peace (and my eardrums) :-D  I needed to put a gate plugin in the FX chain before it to calm the mad thing down.
 
The drums and bass thing has me stumped, those signals shouldn't be going anywhere near the guitar's channel??

@ Mike, I'm glad it's not just me that's stumped LOL. I'll try the polarity flip. I doubt if I'll get chance tonight because I'm working late.
 
@ js516, I'm seeing all you are saying and I can't answer you properly yet. I need to get my head under the bonnet, sort of, and tweak some more. I'm hoping it is not a fault that has since developed in my QUAD-CAPTURE because I really like that thing, with me now being laptop based. I'm sure the Q-C is okay and I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
 
@ ston, yeah, I noticed that (tweaking the gate level), but as soon as an incoming signal exceeds the gate level then all hell breaks loose again.
 
@ Chucke, thanks for your reply dood. Each test was done a day apart so yes, a power down, unplugging etc. was done between each project. I generally always use a blank Cakewalk template and add audio/MIDI tracks and busses myself as required.
 
 
I'll keep reading and playing, as soon as I can get back into my "studio." It has to be something simple and I am hoping that what I am experiencing is not default behaviour...
 
If I solve it in the meantime, rest assured, I will return with details. In the meantime, I will keep on checking back here for any revelations

Hiya Beep 
 
I'm not bad at all thanks... I've been playing my guitar quite a bit actually and got me segs back on me finger tips LOL.
 
How's you?

synkrotron
I created a new blank project,
I added a new single audio track,
I set the input to the left side of my Q-C,
I added an instance of GR5 to the effects bin,
I selected "God's Love,"
I turned on Input Echo,
Without anything connected to the Q-C input or having my headphones connected the meters hit the roof if I turned up the input level on the Q-C.
And turning up the headphone volume exacerbates the problem.
 
I also tried the same with an instance of TH2 added and selection a high distortion patch.

 
Maybe I missed it, but does this still happen if you have no FX in the bin?
 
 

I had a similar problem a couple of years ago.  It turned out to be a defective audio interface that was allowing some of the output signal to bleed into the input signal, creating feedback.  I diagnosed the problem by temporarily selecting the onboard sound card as the output for the MAINS (eliminating any output going into the audio interface).  Maybe you could try the same thing to determine if your Q-C is defective.

An way you slice it, it seems to me there would have to be a hardware/driver problem with the Q-C, assuming it doesn't have a hardware switch or its own firmware/software mixer routing SONAR's output back to the input (a la Soundblaster's "Stereo Mix" monitoring mode).
 
Whatever driver mode you're currently using, you might try changing it as a troubleshooting step.

Try checking your settings in the windows mixer just to make sure nothing is awry with the selected recording device

Apart from that I'm outta ideas

Bibs