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Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter...

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Hey guys.
 
My new DAW should be arriving tomorrow - built by Jim at Studio Cat.
 
I'm looking for reasonably affordable sw VST plugs to replace my old versions of:
 
  • Antares Filter (CPU friendly Resonant Filter + Effects: delays, etc.)
  • Antares Auto Tune 4 (Very happy with how CPU friendly and easy to use this is)
  • Waves Original Gold Bundle (CPU friendly killer brick wall limiter, although the Q10 is great, too).
I really don't want to spend more than a few hundred dollars per plug. 
I need everything 64-bit!
 
...I want to do as little bit-bridging as possible.
 
 
Thanks in advance for any and all ideas!!
 
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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/15 10:55:58 (permalink)
    SONAR 8.5.3 Producer Edition - very affordable since you already have it .
     

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/15 11:23:57 (permalink)
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    Hey Sijel.

    I'm confused by your response.

    I'm looking for:
    • a brick wall limiter (to replace L1/L2/L3)
    • auto tune (to replace Antares AT3/4)
    • resonant filter w/effects (to replace Antares Filter, which ROCKS!)
     
    Again, I need them all to be 64-bit, and EXTREMELY CPU/RAM friendly.
     
    Sonar does not have any of these integrated.
     
    Yes, there is a limiter, but not L1-style brick wall...
     
    Yes, there are great filters in Rapture, Dim Pro, etc., but not easy quick 1 track, VST effect with presets...
     
    Unless I'm missing something...

    Thanks again, man!

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/15 16:18:44 (permalink)
    I agree Filter is a great plugin, and it's very sad that they haven't updated it.

    Check out FabFilter's products. I am a huge fan and would heartily recommend every one of their plugins. http://www.fabfilter.com/  -- they are pure gold for the money, in my opinion.

    As for Auto-Tune in the x64 world, sadly you are very limited there. On that front, I will say that the options bundled in Cubase are very decent. But I imagine you might not want to hear that. Alternatively, use BitBridge or jBridge to get AutoTune working the way you want.

    As for an affordable x64 limiter, there are a number of good choices out there. WaveArts is a solid work horse, and of course you have Voxengo to try out. Then the limiter in iZotope's Ozone is definitely usable. And always keep PSP Audioware on your short list.

    But don't rule out running plugins with BitBridge if you have a particular plugin sound that you love and miss. It's very compatible with a large number of plugins, and if you run into trouble, jBridge is a great solution and works well with Sonar and Cubase.
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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/15 16:34:36 (permalink)

    I'm looking for: a brick wall limiter (to replace L1/L2/L3) auto tune (to replace Antares AT3/4) resonant filter w/effects (to replace Antares Filter, which ROCKS!) Again, I need them all to be 64-bit, and EXTREMELY CPU/RAM friendly.

    BrickWall - try Boost 11 x64
    AutoTune - try V-Vocal (see my work-process in the forum for successful V-Vocaling).
    Filter - DimPro/Rapture (as you point out) - I've never used these on a per track basis... they may be limiting depending on what you are trying to do. 
    BTW - I've used the Pentagon Synth sidechain (put it in Vocoder mode by right-clicking on the menu) for adding filter effects.  Again, not sure what specifically you're trying to do.
     
    You can add in T-Racks Std/Deluxe ($) for more brickwall options and you can buy Melodyne ($$) for tuning options... personally, I haven't used other add-ons like Antares Filter.  But, there are a slew of expensive Synths out there that allow audio inputs.  I'll defer to others on Filter.
     
     
     
     

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/15 17:01:10 (permalink)
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    Hey guys.
     
    My new DAW should be arriving tomorrow - built by Jim at Studio Cat.
     
    I'm looking for reasonably affordable sw VST plugs to replace my old versions of:
     
    • Antares Filter (CPU friendly Resonant Filter + Effects: delays, etc.)
    • Antares Auto Tune 4 (Very happy with how CPU friendly and easy to use this is)
    • Waves Original Gold Bundle (CPU friendly killer brick wall limiter, although the Q10 is great, too).
    I really don't want to spend more than a few hundred dollars per plug. 
    I need everything 64-bit!
     
    ...I want to do as little bit-bridging as possible.
     
     
    Thanks in advance for any and all ideas!!
     
    New DAW:
    i7 950
    12GB DDR3 1600
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    Sonar 8.5 + Kontak 4.1 + Symphobia, etc.
    RME FF800
     
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    Hi sqye,

    Check out Izotope's plugs. Alloy (for per track use) and Ozone for mastering your final mix. I think you'd be able to get by with using Ozone on a per track basis judging by your sys specs. I've done this with no problems at all. Ozone has an excellent limiter and dither. I honestly can't tell the difference between my dithered down CD masters and my original 24bit master when using Ozone. I can hear a slight difference using the built in dither in Sonar, but not a lot. Ozone is a 64 bit plug. There is a fully functional 10 day trial you download of Alloy and Ozone.

    I've tried Anteres auto tune and much prefer V-Vocal. It is included with Sonar PE, not sure about the lesser version. I'm also not sure if it's 64bit.

    As for the other plugs, not sure on those. I find it hard to get a good natural sound out of the suite of 64 mastering/compression plugs in Sonar PE and stopped using them. I went back to the Sonitus plugs which are 64bit now and I'm very happy with those.



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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/15 17:11:45 (permalink)
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    Hey thanks a ton - much appreciated, amigos - eratu, Sijel and Shane B.!!

    You're rocking with all these suggestions...this is great.
     
    Yes, I love the iZotope stuff, although I haven't used it in a while.
     
    I also have some really nice limiter/compressor/fx plugs from VB in Germany.
     
    I also love the way Sonitus sounds -
    I've been using those plugs since they first made them - I love all of them -
    EQ, compression, verb, delay, gates, etc. Simply great natural sounding plugs.
    ...and best of all, they don't kill the CPU!!
     
    The V-Vocal GUI I've found to be a bit of a PITA. It also has a rep for being flakey.
     
    Thx for the tip on the Pentagon - I forgot about this, and have never tried it.
     
    I also haven't tried the Boost 11x64.
     
    I was checking out some fabfilter stuff earlier - I even left them a vm to discuss their products.
    ...they do look killer.
     
    And yes, I have jBridge installed on the machine.
     
    I haven't decided whether I want to pay Waves $110 for 365 to renew NPP Vs. 4 (this just sounds stupid.)
    ...although for the thousands of sequences I have with Waves plugs, I'll just leave them on my legacy machines,
    if I need to boot them.
     
    The T-Rack Peak Limiter looks great - and people seem happy with it - some like it better than L2.
     
    Melodyne is an option, as well as the FabFilter stuff, and some other tweaky synth plugs.

    I'll delve into some research for the various suggestions here.

    Awesome, I'm psyched!

    Cheers, dudes.

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 11:12:11 (permalink)
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    BrickWall - try Boost 11 x64
    AutoTune - try V-Vocal (see my work-process in the forum for successful V-Vocaling).
    Filter - DimPro/Rapture (as you point out) - I've never used these on a per track basis... they may be limiting depending on what you are trying to do. 
    BTW - I've used the Pentagon Synth sidechain (put it in Vocoder mode by right-clicking on the menu) for adding filter effects.  Again, not sure what specifically you're trying to do.
     
    You can add in T-Racks Std/Deluxe ($) for more brickwall options and you can buy Melodyne ($$) for tuning options... personally, I haven't used other add-ons like Antares Filter.  But, there are a slew of expensive Synths out there that allow audio inputs.  I'll defer to others on Filter.
     


    Hi, I do not recommend the V-Vocal. V-Vocal sound coloring
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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 11:43:56 (permalink)
    nix on v-vocal.  nix on Boost 11.  Fabfilter's stuff is, indeed, fab.  The T-Racks brickwall limiter is very good (but not, as yet, 64bit) and I use it all the time with no problem at all on the same (probably) 64bit system you're getting from Jim.  Why does everything HAVE to be 64bit?  Most (but, of course, not all) of my 32 bit plugs run fine using BitBridge.

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 12:07:49 (permalink)
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    Hey thanks so much Polakzec and Yorolpal.

    The general concensus on the V-Vocal is not great. Again, I don't find it intuitive at all.
    And the processing results are mixed. But it's probably because I don't know how to use it efficiently.

    Thanks for the fb on the 11x64 and T-Rack limiters.

    Anyone use the PSP Xenon?
    Voxengo Elephant?
    WaveArts Final Plug?

    Seems like iZotope's Ozone is $250 for the whole mastering package,
    which I don't need. I'm only looking for a brick wall Peak Limiter to replace L2/L3.

    WaveArts offers Track Plug and Final Plug - each is $150, and Track Plug is a channel strip,
    which again, I don't really need. So Final Plug is an option as for both track and master limiting - if it's any good.

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 12:19:45 (permalink)
    At the risk of getting flamed, over on the Reaper forum someone has a very long thread going entitled "going all freeware" where they do extensive evals of free VST plugs. Worth a read since it's DAW agnostic and, well, he finds all these great freebies for every purpose.

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 12:33:34 (permalink)

    The general concensus on the V-Vocal is not great. Again, I don't find it intuitive at all.

    There is without a doubt some very good freeware out there. 
    But my experience through many years in the DAW game is that the more freeware I add to my DAW, the more problems I end up having.  In fact, I've been pressing myself to live with the Sonar PE tools where ever I can - and that's been working wonderfully.  The most musically productive and least frustrated I've ever been. 
     
    [Not trying to say all commercial code is a charm... but beware that most things marked "free" are NOT really free.]
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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 12:43:44 (permalink)
    nix means no.  As in don't use v-vocal or boost eleven;-)

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 12:47:01 (permalink)
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    The general concensus on the V-Vocal is not great. Again, I don't find it intuitive at all.

    There is without a doubt some very good freeware out there. 
    But my experience through many years in the DAW game is that the more freeware I add to my DAW, the more problems I end up having.  In fact, I've been pressing myself to live with the Sonar PE tools where ever I can - and that's been working wonderfully.  The most musically productive and least frustrated I've ever been. 
     
    [Not trying to say all commercial code is a charm... but beware that most things marked "free" are NOT really free.]


    +1

    The only free plug that I've ever stuck with is the analyzer from Vox. The free stuff can come back to bite a company also. I got some free amp plugs from the people who make some of the plugs in Sonar and they were crap. I wasn't too happy when I found out they had some software in SPE8.5.

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 13:31:43 (permalink)
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    nix means no.  As in don't use v-vocal or boost eleven;-)
    yes, i got that. thanks, man!
     
    and thanks for the freeware suggestion...i think i going to think with paid stuff for now.
    i just can't deal with unpleasant surprises, especially when i have serious deadlines.
     
    again, thanks guys!
     
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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 13:51:39 (permalink)
    nix means no. As in don't use v-vocal or boost eleven

    What is your reasoning behind this?
    (I use both and they work fine.)

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 14:20:54 (permalink)
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    nix means no. As in don't use v-vocal or boost eleven

    What is your reasoning behind this?
    (I use both and they work fine.)


    Boost 11 imho isn't very musical sounding. It adds what I refer to as a 'glassy' sound. I've noticed that with all the tube emulator plugs in Sonar also. This could be because I haven't taken the time to tweak the living daylights out of the 64 Series plugs, but Boost 11 is pretty much idiot proof.

    I love the limiter in Alloy for per track use. I used it on a bass track last night ... all I can say is WOW! I finally got the sound I've been looking for with my bass tracks. Now I have to go back over all my projects and redo them! LOL! :)

    I kind of feel bad pushing a competitors product Cakewalks forum, but man I love Ozone and Alloy. Now that I'm using them, I don't know how I ever got by without them. Maybe Cake will look at those plugs and come up with comprehensive collection of mastering tools bundled in a single plug rather than have them kind of scattered like they are now.

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 14:26:48 (permalink)
    Some folks like v-vocal.  But once you've used Melodyne, there's no going back.  V-Vocal seems primitive in comparison.  And, like Shane says above, Boost 11 sounds harsh and "shiny".  While I never use it in my music production I often find myself using it in our voiceover production.  Especially on super compressed over-loud concert promos, car and truck spots and such.  It WILL cut a voice through the mix.  But you definitely hear it working.  It's a cudgel, not a precision tool.

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 14:37:22 (permalink)
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    Some folks like v-vocal.  But once you've used Melodyne, there's no going back.  V-Vocal seems primitive in comparison.  And, like Shane says above, Boost 11 sounds harsh and "shiny".  While I never use it in my music production I often find myself using it in our voiceover production.  Especially on super compressed over-loud concert promos, car and truck spots and such.  It WILL cut a voice through the mix.  But you definitely hear it working.  It's a cudgel, not a precision tool.


    Makes you wonder how they develop some of these plugs doesn't it? I mean, what are they listening to them on while making the decisions on what sounds good or not? I absolutely LOVE my Yamaha HS80m's. I've been listening to my favorite albums on them that I've been listening to for decades on other speakers and I've been hearing things that I never picked up on before.

    You can get a good sound out of Boost 11, but you can't run it very hot, which kind of defeats the purpose of it. :)

    I've used Melodyne and I still prefer V-Vocal, but it's been a long time, maybe they've improved it from when I used it. V-vocal still kind of has a DOS feel to it if you know what I mean, but it's still my personal favorite for pitch correction.



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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 14:51:17 (permalink)
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    Thanks, guys.

    As far as Purchase Vs. Freeware, Sijel - it's not a 100% rule, I just like support, and more extensive compatibility and accountability.

    Also, I'm not really a sw tweaker. I have a lot of work to do, and I have to get it done quickly!! I want to be creating MUSIC with reliable tools, not editing registry keys, splitting .dlls, writing scripts, etc. I need basic tools, and I just want to make sure they work, and don't create a lot of down time during my projects and deadlines. This is 100% professional for me. I can't aford ot have a project go down because of some buggy hacked freeware plugin with no support.

    If you have any freeware plugs you love - from good reliable accountable companies with great support - in tuning, filter or brick wall limiters, I'm open to hearing about them.!

    Also, thanks for your votes of confidence for Alloy, Ozone and Melodyne. I'l have to try V-Vocal again, but I really ws\asn't taking it very seriously. I didn't get the feeling CW was, either.

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 15:19:58 (permalink)
    Makes you wonder how they develop some of these plugs doesn't it? I mean, what are they listening to them

    Regarding Boost11, it was originally included in Cakewalk's entry level DAW package. It's also available to buy for $49. I don't think it was ever intended to be a high end mastering limiter, given that it was either part of the entry level package or fairly cheap to buy.

    But people on this forum got all up in arms about how the entry level package had a limiter and Sonar didn't.  People who hadn't even heard how the thing sounded were clamoring for it to be included in Sonar, because how could Sonar not have everything that the baby brother package had?  And then it was included. And now people complain that it doesn't sound very good. Sometimes I really wonder how Cakewalk can keep their cool when things like this happen.

    I think it has its uses.  Like, use it sparingly to catch stray peaks. But it's certainly not the greatest limiter out there. 
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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 15:40:02 (permalink)
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    Thanks for clearing that up, tarsier.

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/16 18:18:20 (permalink)
    I posted a PX64+Boost11 solution: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2092120 Let me know what you think.
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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/17 05:34:11 (permalink)
    The T-Rack Peak Limiter looks great - and people seem happy with it


    Agree 100% - I love this limiter, it does exactly what it says on the tin.

    I do not recommend the V-Vocal. V-Vocal sound coloring


    A lot of people are running V-Vocal successfully with NO colouring [sp] and NO artefacts.
    Check out the many threads about how to run V/V properly

    The general concensus on the V-Vocal is not great.


    I don't think this is the general consesnsus at all. A few people have had problems, but this is MAINLY down to pilot error

    And the processing results are mixed. But it's probably because I don't know how to use it efficiently.


    I suggest you read up on it, especially the section devoted to V/V in Scott Garrigus Power book.


    nix means no.  As in don't use v-vocal


    What is wrong with you people? V-V works GREAT for the VAST majority of users

    Some folks like v-vocal.  But once you've used Melodyne, there's no going back


    I've read about people who's machines crash when they load Melodyne. Go figure.







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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/17 10:33:57 (permalink)
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    hey thanks for the fb on v-vocal and t-racks, Bristol! much appreciated.
     
    fwiw - i just bought the t-racks brick wall limiter....but mysteriously, have heard nothing back from the company -
    no confirmation of order, DL number, receipt, or e-mail, etc. my payment just disappeared into the abyss...
    ...and i have no product to show for it...

    i'll have to revisit v-vocal. i wonder if they've made it any easier to use and less buggy
    since i used it last. i don't really have time to read a poweruser book just to get basic fast CPU-friendly pitch correction
     with some instant presets happening ASAP.

    but thanks so much for the suggestion. i'll def check it out again. if i can't get it to work within a minute, though...
    it's going bye-bye...sorry...(do i sound like an american, yet) : )
     
    i have no patience for badly designed - or counterintuitive - GUIs.

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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/17 10:54:14 (permalink)

    i don't really have time to read a poweruser book just to get basic fast CPU-friendly pitch correction with some instant presets happening

     
    V-Vocal is a tool, not a plug-in, so there are not any "presets".
    There are YouTube and CW vids that show basically how to use it
    (http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/?q=V-Vocal+video+Sonar&vid=8EF3C1AA9C3B075C09BC8EF3C1AA9C3B075C09BC&FORM=VIRE2 but there are others on YouTube and the web).  CW also has a TechTip at: http://www.cakewalk.com/tips/SONAR5_Vocal_Production.asp
    Pair this knowledge with the workflows that PeterJ and I have posted in the forum.  We've gotten forum feedback that this process avoids issues for even people that were seeing issues.  Here's the process (copied from other forum post):
    1. Break tracks into clips - editting at the silent parts. I find it's best to use the smallest clip duration that you need to get the job done.  I do NOT ever try correcting an entire track clip (but maybe that's because I use V-Vocal surgically or for effect).
    2. Save my project (!!!)
    3. Enable track layers on the track in question
    4. Create a V-Vocal clip using the right click menu option on the original clip. 
    5. Move that new V-vocal clip (which is by default ON TOP of the original clip) down using SHIFT-drag to an open layer.  You willl now see the original track with the red mute symbol (i.e., a crossed out O).  [Shift-drag keeps the clip aligned to the original clip.]
    6. Operate in the V-Vocal Editor to your heart's (or ear's) content
    7. CLOSE the V-Vocal Editor and IMMEDIATELY "Bounce to Clip" - this is very important!  If you leave this Editor open or don't bounce this Clip, you will most likely encounter a problem as you keep working
    8. Listen for a few times to make sure the new clip is ok... and then File...Save (use a new version number if you wish and add a comment on what track you V-vocaled.).   If you don't like what you heard, you can delete the V-Vocal track and unmute the original track...for perfect safety, you can close the project without saving and reload to your earlier version.
    One other tip:  Set the formant/Follow pitch dials to a very low value (between 0 and 15%) when you start if you want natural sounding pitch shifts.  And there is a thread which explains how to can edit the V-Vocal.ini to make this the default if you find you use this a lot.
     
    Despite what some folks post, I use V-Vocal to produce natural-sounding pitch, timing (i.e.,  line up my harmony loose ends) and dynamics changes (yes,  this allows you to ease up on your track compression settings..which makes the track sounds more natural, etc.) almost daily.
     
    Let us know how things go and how we can help!
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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/17 11:52:08 (permalink)
    +100 on the FabFilter plugs.  They are the absolute best plugins in terms of user interface.  Those guys got it right, and they sound beautiful.  They have all kinds of filtering goodies that you'll probably dig.  I love their Compressor and EQ plugs!

    For limiting, you can't go wrong with Voxengo's Elephant, which is considered among the very best of its kind.  It's better than the Waves L1/L2/L3 series according to a few threads I've read on Gearslutz.

    Lastly, I think the "overall consensus" of V-Vocal is misleading.  Melodyne is no doubt a superior tool, but I find V-Vocal to do the job just fine and with ease.  However, you DO need to make sure your track is clean, with the least amount of background noise possible (i.e. no headphone bleed, AC hum, etc).  As said before, enable V-Vocal only on sections where you need it and then bounce to clip when you're done.  Make sure that the Formant dial is set to "0" before you start tweaking notes.  Then simply move the white horizontal line where it needs to be and viola, you're done.  Sometimes you need to lessen the vibrato amount on a note to make it sound in pitch.  But that's all I do and I get the results I want.  On the other hand, if you're trying to fix a badly recorded and out of tune track with V-Vocal then that explains why you're not getting the results you want.  In those cases you're better off re-tracking since V-Vocal is not that type of tool.  V-Vocal works best if used sparingly.  Melodyne handles badly recorded tracks much better.


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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/17 12:04:35 (permalink)
    Must agree with Jose, Elephant is excellent!
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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/17 15:28:09 (permalink)
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    i don't really have time to read a poweruser book just to get basic fast CPU-friendly pitch correction with some instant presets happening

     
    V-Vocal is a tool, not a plug-in, so there are not any "presets".
    There are YouTube and CW vids that show basically how to use it
    (http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/?q=V-Vocal+video+Sonar&vid=8EF3C1AA9C3B075C09BC8EF3C1AA9C3B075C09BC&FORM=VIRE2 but there are others on YouTube and the web).  CW also has a TechTip at: http://www.cakewalk.com/tips/SONAR5_Vocal_Production.asp
    Pair this knowledge with the workflows that PeterJ and I have posted in the forum.  We've gotten forum feedback that this process avoids issues for even people that were seeing issues.  Here's the process (copied from other forum post):
    1. Break tracks into clips - editting at the silent parts. I find it's best to use the smallest clip duration that you need to get the job done.  I do NOT ever try correcting an entire track clip (but maybe that's because I use V-Vocal surgically or for effect).
    2. Save my project (!!!)
    3. Enable track layers on the track in question
    4. Create a V-Vocal clip using the right click menu option on the original clip. 
    5. Move that new V-vocal clip (which is by default ON TOP of the original clip) down using SHIFT-drag to an open layer.  You willl now see the original track with the red mute symbol (i.e., a crossed out O).  [Shift-drag keeps the clip aligned to the original clip.]
    6. Operate in the V-Vocal Editor to your heart's (or ear's) content
    7. CLOSE the V-Vocal Editor and IMMEDIATELY "Bounce to Clip" - this is very important!  If you leave this Editor open or don't bounce this Clip, you will most likely encounter a problem as you keep working
    8. Listen for a few times to make sure the new clip is ok... and then File...Save (use a new version number if you wish and add a comment on what track you V-vocaled.).   If you don't like what you heard, you can delete the V-Vocal track and unmute the original track...for perfect safety, you can close the project without saving and reload to your earlier version.
    One other tip:  Set the formant/Follow pitch dials to a very low value (between 0 and 15%) when you start if you want natural sounding pitch shifts.  And there is a thread which explains how to can edit the V-Vocal.ini to make this the default if you find you use this a lot.
     
    Despite what some folks post, I use V-Vocal to produce natural-sounding pitch, timing (i.e.,  line up my harmony loose ends) and dynamics changes (yes,  this allows you to ease up on your track compression settings..which makes the track sounds more natural, etc.) almost daily.
     
    Let us know how things go and how we can help!

    Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time to write all this, but you've just proven my point!!!!
     
    There's absolutely NO WAY IN HELL I have time for all that.
     
    ...I plug in Antares Auto Tune. Set to Male Vocals : Chromatic - and I'm freekin' done.
     
    : )
     
     
    Again, thanks though, man. Someday when I'm 80 years old and I have nothing better to do than read your post, I will.
    (By then people will be genetically cloned with Auto Tune).
     
    I'm not trying to be a dick, I just REALLY don't have time for all that.
     
    Cheers, dude!
     
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    Re:Best 64-bit VST Limiter, Auto Tune and F/X Filter... 2010/09/17 15:31:28 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the votes of confidence on Elephant and Fab Filter, guys!

    And Jose, you're once again underscoring the reason I'll never use V-Vocal for pitch.


    On a side note, I DO like V-Vocal as an formant tweaking EFFECT!!! Very much!

    And, as I've been saying, I'm sure the GUI has been getting better...

    I'll check it out again - one of these days when I have time (which is never).
     
    Does ANYBODY have time for ANYTHING these days???  : )
     
    (And, does anybodyy REALLY know what time it is?? )

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