Superior Drummer issue....

I'm attempting to trigger a muted cymbal crash in Superior Drummer. When I click on the note on Superior Drummers mapping keyboard I get a nice short crash and grab muted cymbal. When triggered from an X2 midi track or by clicking on the Sonar drum map the duration is much longer. I can see by observing the Superior Drummer GUI that the correct note is being triggered.  This happens regardless of the midi note duration in the X2 MIDI track. It would be great if the note duration would control how quickly the cymbal is muted, but that is not happening.
 
Any ideas....
Thanks

Not sure how how it works in superior but if it's the same as BFD2 you'll have your cymbal note followed by your choke/mute note.
The closer your choke/mute note is to your original cymbal note determines the shortness or length of the cymbal.
The muted note being nearer the cymbal hit will make a shorter note and......you can do the math
 
You just need to know where the choke/mute note is for your cymbal in sonars prv.
 
Steve

Doesn't that method mean that the that particular cymbal can only be used for cymbal mutes ?
I mean if you wanted to play a crash followed by a muted/choked crash you would have to use two of the same crash
as one of them would be permanently muted.
 
Seems a bit of a convoluted process compared to just adding a choke note after the event.
In BFD2 the choke note isn't an actual note so much as an event and so doesn't make a sound.
Is it an actual note in superior drummer ? Can you only use it on the cymbals ?
Choke events in BFD2 can be used on any kit piece.
 
Steve

twaddle
Doesn't that method mean that the that particular cymbal can only be used for cymbal mutes ?
I mean if you wanted to play a crash followed by a muted/choked crash you would have to use two of the same crash
as one of them would be permanently muted.
 
Seems a bit of a convoluted process compared to just adding a choke note after the event.
In BFD2 the choke note isn't an actual note so much as an event and so doesn't make a sound.
Is it an actual note in superior drummer ? Can you only use it on the cymbals ?
Choke events in BFD2 can be used on any kit piece.
 
Steve

Yes - if you wanted a crash and then another crash with mute, you could just use the choked crash as the second midi event.  I don't do that because the choked crash hit in superior has a pre-defined fixed duration, which for me, doesn't work well.  I like to time the choke exactly where I want it so that the duration is whatever is good for the song.  If you can live with the pre-defined durations that's fine.
 
Yes - it seems convoluted.  I'd rather have what is done with the Superior HH, where they actually have a pedal close note.  That would be surely the easiest, but seeing that they have a lot of cymbals (5 crashes, 4 rides) that would be a lot of extra dedicated midi notes to plan for.  Actually the method that they use with the aftertouch works very easily once you set up the envelopes.  And you have control over the release, so you can tweak how fast you want the choke.
 
And no - the choke event is not a note.  It is an aftertouch controller event.  And you can set up any kit piece in Superior to respond to aftertouch, so all kit pieces can use a choke event.
 
I don't doubt that BFD2 has an easier way to implement the choke events.  I think BFD2 is also an excellent drum program.  I use Superior because I migrated from EZDrummer for $99.  I'm happy with Superior.  Each program has strengths and weaknesses.  I think Chokes in Superior are a weakness because they don't have the envelopes set up for you in advance.  But once you set them up, it is a breeze in Sonar.
 
 
 

twaddle
Doesn't that method mean that the that particular cymbal can only be used for cymbal mutes ?
I mean if you wanted to play a crash followed by a muted/choked crash you would have to use two of the same crash
as one of them would be permanently muted.
 
Seems a bit of a convoluted process compared to just adding a choke note after the event.
In BFD2 the choke note isn't an actual note so much as an event and so doesn't make a sound.
Is it an actual note in superior drummer ? Can you only use it on the cymbals ?
Choke events in BFD2 can be used on any kit piece.
 
Steve

Simply follow your choke "aftertouch on" with an "aftertouch off".  You can then use the cymbal for ordinary crashes till the next choke is needed.  I always use a "CC off" to proceed a "CC on" as a mater of course when editing.
 
HTH
 
Paul